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Jesus H Christ

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Now you are being silly again. A week delay is of little importance when we've been a year without a vaccine. That's especially true when the risk of catching Covid-19 is so small.
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Where did you get a week from? Our over 70s in the U.K. we’re being vaccinated back in mid-January :D :D :D
 

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The relatives and friends of the 120,000 in the UK alone who have died from Covid-19 know only too well that there has been and still is a pandemic.

What you've posted is an assumption that only partially successful defences mean the disease doesn't exist.

That's like saying that because you and your friends didn't get killed on the roads, road deaths don't exist.
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I did not say the flu bug does not exist - I believe I had it at the end of 2019. (Very rough, difficulty breathing like nothing I've had before).
The figure of 120,000 deaths was disputed recently by the Daily Mail, of all papers. We lost three members of our family at the beginning of 2020. All of them were elderly and ill. Total deaths for the UK in 2020 was 696,000, and the nearest to that figure was 1976, but there were 12 million fewer people in the UK then. The country was not shut down. https://www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/ People cannot seem to see that this is a battle to control the population using FEAR. There are demos all over the world today, with people attending who do not want to lose their LIBERTY. This is all about far more than a flu bug and a 'vaccine'. They will never lift the lockdowns unless you stand up for yourselves. Have a look at Brandnewtube, UKColumn etc. The BBC will not help you.
 

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But France couldn't do that,or else the UKs rollout would have been halved , If France and Germany had done so, the UKs rollout would be 1/3 . If France ,Germany , Italy and Spain had dine so, the UK rollout would be 1/5 . That is the stark reality. It was not a question of money, It is production capacity.
France and Germany were late at every stage, ordering, approving and delivering. They then compounded that by dithering and playing politics with the Oxford vaccine.

The EU’s house is on fire, but they won’t deploy the fire engines because a dust cap is missing of one of the tyre valves. They are sitting back waiting for a new dust cap to be delivered, despite the mechanic telling them the engine is safe to use. Pathetic.
 

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How do you get hold of the vaccine without ordering it? You are criticising for ordering early.

If it wasn’t ordered early, it wouldn’t have been available to you.

You are being a twat. Stop it.
And I would simply have had to wait, as I am doing now for the long overdue second dose, you really should stop calling me names, stop it yourself.
 
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Let's assume France had mirrored our roll out..
No, I didn't mention France, I spoke of the world.

The world couldn't possibly mirror our rollout, nor could even the EU, the vaccines simply don't exist in such quantities. Indeed the markets can't even supply the present demand, despite the delays, as AZ has shown with only 30% of what was promised and Pfizer shutting down for while for modernising.

So your assumption is pointless.
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oldgroaner

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I did not say the flu bug does not exist - I believe I had it at the end of 2019. (Very rough, difficulty breathing like nothing I've had before).
The figure of 120,000 deaths was disputed recently by the Daily Mail, of all papers. We lost three members of our family at the beginning of 2020. All of them were elderly and ill. Total deaths for the UK in 2020 was 696,000, and the nearest to that figure was 1976, but there were 12 million fewer people in the UK then. The country was not shut down. https://www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/ People cannot seem to see that this is a battle to control the population using FEAR. There are demos all over the world today, with people attending who do not want to lose their LIBERTY. This is all about far more than a flu bug and a 'vaccine'. They will never lift the lockdowns unless you stand up for yourselves. Have a look at Brandnewtube, UKColumn etc. The BBC will not help you.
Is this a spoof account?

And why would this conspiracy involve lots of different countries with entirely different political systems?

Stupid posts like this affect the attitude of the simple minded and turn them against the vaccine

Cease and desist, you represent a danger to the public, not only in fomenting unrest but encouraging behaviour that will massively spread the Virus and result in many thousands of dead.

When they develop a vaccine against stupidity make sure you put your name down for a shot

If your post was meant to be satire it's in poor taste
 
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oldgroaner

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France and Germany were late at every stage, ordering, approving and delivering. They then compounded that by dithering and playing politics with the Oxford vaccine.

The EU’s house is on fire, but they won’t deploy the fire engines because a dust cap is missing of one of the tyre valves. They are sitting back waiting for a new dust cap to be delivered, despite the mechanic telling them the engine is safe to use. Pathetic.
The EU doesn't have a house that is on fire, where they were late in ordering because of our stunt of jumping in first to scotch anyone else getting a look in by bypassing the normal channels of approval, they have not recommended not using the vaccine, individual member states have done that on their own initiative for reasons that they find valid and since we are out of the EU have no say in the matter
 
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France and Germany were late at every stage, ordering, approving and delivering. They then compounded that by dithering and playing politics with the Oxford vaccine.

The EU’s house is on fire, but they won’t deploy the fire engines because a dust cap is missing of one of the tyre valves. They are sitting back waiting for a new dust cap to be delivered, despite the mechanic telling them the engine is safe to use. Pathetic.
The EU approved the Pfizer in December, It approved the AZ within a fortnight of getting the documentation and request from AZ in January. Both France and Germany were in an alliance with AZ at the same time as the UK, but the EU wanted solidarity in August. Alk this is on the web. The EU funded the Biontech, which surprise , surprise was German and out months before the AZ and through the full normal accreditation process.
Using your analogy, the dust cap might be missing, but unfortunately the diesel has not been delivered either, and even if they push the engine to the fire, they cannot pump the water.
 

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Blatantly untrue again. The vaccine neither prevents catching the disease nor prevents transmission. It just reduces those to an as yet unknown degree.
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Flecc, how many times. It prevents hospitalisation and death to tune of 97% even on single dose. By your argument vaccine is pointless.
 
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Chainring

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Is this a spoof account?

And why would this conspiracy involve lots of different countries with entirely different political systems?

Stupid posts like this affect the attitude of the simple minded and turn them against the vaccine

Cease and desist, you represent a danger to the public, not only in fomenting unrest but encouraging behaviour that will massively spread the Virus and result in many thousands of dead.

When they develop a vaccine against stupidity make sure you put your name down for a shot

If your post was meant to be satire it's in poor taste
No, I am not a spoof! I joined eight years ago when I bought my first ebike from Mr Woosh. I'm sorry if you find this hard to take in, but if you do some searching, you will find there are millions of other people fighting to keep their liberty, and they are not 'Spoofs' either. https://www.bitchute.com/video/xcvd77viXadd/
 
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Jesus H Christ

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The EU doesn't have a house that is on fire, where they were late in ordering because of our stunt of jumping in first to scotch anyone else getting a look in by bypassing the normal channels of approval, they have not recommended not using the vaccine, individual member states have done that on their own initiative for reasons that they find valid and since we are out of the EU have no say in the matter
The U.K. ordered early. They made assessments of several vaccines and placed advanced orders well ahead of the EU who were bogged down with indecision.

Nearly every vaccine the U.K. assessed and ordered and every vaccine it has approved has been successful. That’s no coincidence or lucky break.
 
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Blatantly untrue again. The vaccine neither prevents catching the disease nor prevents transmission. It just reduces those to an as yet unknown degree.
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Less blantantly untrue as utterly unproven. It is a hope that less severe infections, will help reduce the pool of infection. There is now very strong evidence that any of the vaccines greatly reduces the burden on hospitals.
Z might refect on the difference in probabilities those three statements infer.
 
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Chainring

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Flecc, how many times. It prevents hospitalisation and death to tune of 97% even on single dose. By your argument vaccine is pointless.
It's not pointless - it's making people lots of money and can be used to drive us all in to 'Vaccine Passports'. Israel now, Ireland in July and probably more. Try Hugo Talks website.
 
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I did not say the flu bug does not exist - I believe I had it at the end of 2019. (Very rough, difficulty breathing like nothing I've had before).
The figure of 120,000 deaths was disputed recently by the Daily Mail, of all papers. We lost three members of our family at the beginning of 2020. All of them were elderly and ill. Total deaths for the UK in 2020 was 696,000, and the nearest to that figure was 1976, but there were 12 million fewer people in the UK then. The country was not shut down. https://www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/ People cannot seem to see that this is a battle to control the population using FEAR. There are demos all over the world today, with people attending who do not want to lose their LIBERTY. This is all about far more than a flu bug and a 'vaccine'. They will never lift the lockdowns unless you stand up for yourselves. Have a look at Brandnewtube, UKColumn etc. The BBC will not help you.
You should have made your meaning more clear, since it reads as though you are denying Covid exists. That is dangerous since it could encourage less vaccine takeup so more infections.

That said, I agree with you that the Covid deaths are being somewhat exaggerated, but that is due to a number of factors (which I'm happy to detail) and not through conspiratorial intent.

If the intent was control, then clearly it's miserably failed so there's nothing to fear.
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Zlatan

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Less blantantly untrue as utterly unproven. It is a hope that less severe infections, will help reduce the pool of infection. There is now very strong evidence that any of the vaccines greatly reduces the burden on hospitals.
Z might refect on the difference in probabilities those three statements infer.
I think the salient one is reducing hospitalisation by 97%...suspect it will take years to know others..
 

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