Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Seems most folk at moment seem to think Vaccine programme is doing well. And that's the Guardian...
If you want a fair guide has to how public are seeing things... Read OG and Flecc's posts..... Then take the inverse.. But no doubt public, along with JVT, PV and CW are wrong.

More dishonesty Zlatan !

You won't find me posting anywhere that the vaccine program is doing badly, I think it is going really well. Indeed I posted in praise of my personal perception of it and you acknowledged my post with a "Like" emoticon. Here's the link

My criticisms have been of the political choices made within rolling it out, criticisms made by many experts and countries around the world and even the makers of the most important vaccine to date. I maintain they are right and our politicians are wrong on their choices.

But solely on the numbers injected in the vaccine program, we are doing brilliantly.
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[oyster]

And while I am writing I wish you all welcome to Spring in the Celtic Calendar. .. . The first day of February is the pagan feast of Imbolic , now associated with St. Bridgit and is the reverse of Halloween or Samhain as it celebrates new life. Bridgit represents fertility and the new awakening. You will have been hearing the slightly increased birdsong already.

Bolics. It is Imbolc.

Interestingly, a search tells me that it lasts into the evening of February 2.

 

[oldgroaner]

Thinking for yourself is fine, deciding you don't want to be vaccinated same, deciding you do and thinking waiting for 2nd is not a brilliant idea is also fine.
What is not fine is accepting first jab willingly and then spending hours and hundreds of posts explaining how bad an idea it is is not.
You are putting people off doing exactly what you chose to do. At time of your first injection you already knew wait for 2nd would be 12 weeks. Why buy into the regime if its so flawed and then having bought into scheme why make such a fuss.
Either take what's on offer or don't. Simple.
You can't take it and then moan decrying the very system attempting to keep you safe.. Well you can. There is a name for it.

For goodness sake give up, you are becoming boring
"What is not fine is accepting first jab willingly and then spending hours and hundreds of posts explaining how bad an idea it is is not. "
I explained my reasons, kindly stuff your angst where the sun doesn't shine
How many times have you repeated your opinion on my opinion, which you are not qualified to judge.

Stop this trolling. It simply proves what you have become

 

[Jesus H Christ]

For goodness sake give up, you are becoming boring
"What is not fine is accepting first jab willingly and then spending hours and hundreds of posts explaining how bad an idea it is is not. "
I explained my reasons, kindly stuff your angst where the sun doesn't shine
How many times have you repeated your opinion on my opinion, which you are not qualified to judge.

Stop this trolling. It simply proves what you have become

He’s 100% correct though. Accepting a vaccination which you then spend your days trying to convince people of its danger is perverse.

You should put up or shut up. Seeing as you haven’t put up by refusing the dangerous vaccine (in your distorted world), I suggest that you shut up.

 

[oyster]

He’s 100% correct though. Accepting a vaccination which you the spend your days trying to convince people of its danger is perverse.

You should put up or shut up. Seeing as you haven’t put up by not accepting the dangerous vaccine, I suggest you shut up.

I accept there is the possibility of negative outcomes from vaccination. Whether in the short-term or long, whether fatal or merely temporarily unpleasant. And that none of us really know what the outcomes will be. For us as individuals or for us as the world population.

But, at present, the balance seems well in favour of accepting vaccination. In my mind.

 

[Danidl]

Just for clarity, is this the EU’s threat to trigger Article 16 that you were denying 72 hours ago? Talking heads with no foundation I believe was the sentiment

This could mean you got something wrong! How usual.

Asking for a friend.
Cheers

Just for clarity, is this the EU’s threat to trigger Article 16 that you were denying 72 hours ago? Talking heads with no foundation I believe was the sentiment

This could mean you got something wrong! How usual.

Asking for a friend.
Cheers

No the EC did not threaten to trigger Article 16. Nor did it trigger Article 16. What it did do was initiated a proposal which WOULD BE POSSIBLY INTERPRETED as potentially doing that, . When it was brought to their attention that this was a possible interpretation or consequence, they immediately withdrew it. This was brought to the ECs attention by the Irish Taoiseach, following the newsreports Article 16 was never discussed in any documents
Contrast that, if you will, with the statement made in Westminster about " breaking the NI Protocol in a specific and limited manner" .. some weeks ago. Now the UK did not trigger that break then, but certainly threatened it.
So you may reassure your friend that all is well in the REAL World.

 

[Danidl]

Bolics. It is Imbolc.

Interestingly, a search tells me that it lasts into the evening of February 2.

But of course ... What do you really think fertility is about? These things take time ..and effort

 

[Zlatan]

COVID-19: Rejected contracts and a Hollywood movie - how UK struck deal to guarantee vaccine supply

As the row over vaccine supplies heated up this week, the UK government stuck to a simple line.

news.sky.com

Seems Hancock did actually do something useful. Worth a read. Good old Hancock...
That will get OG going.

Flecc
My apologies, you are right, assuming you took same stance as OG is a diabolical insult. I do agree the accusation levelled at you was misplaced. Serious apologies. But OG is still a raging, raving hypocrite.

 

[vfr400]

Watch the price of silver. You can hardly buy any at the moment.

Price has gone up 20% since I said that. Did anybody else get in before the rush?

 

[oyster]

Price has gone up 20% since I said that. Did anybody else get in before the rush?

I've got a load of physical silver to get rid of...

 

[Zlatan]

I've got a load of physical silver to get rid of...

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Was that silver from a Barnsley market with hall mark scratched on?? I, ve got loads like that..

My step father always did well with his investments and around 25 years ago, when I was just starting investing, he was in hospital. Whilst there he phoned and asked me to buy quite a considerable amount of stock in British Ports on his behalf. I thought, he knows something so bought his and as much as I could also afford.
They did absolutely brilliant. Short term there was some take over which pushed prices up and long term they did super.
Any way about 5 years ago I got talking to him about them, I, d always thought he, d known of potential take over and guessed that folk would want to live by coast more, hence putting their value up. No, he said, just luck, I never think too much about it. Just buy lots of different things..!!!???

 

[flecc]

I accept there is the possibility of negative outcomes from vaccination. Whether in the short-term or long, whether fatal or merely temporarily unpleasant. And that none of us really know what the outcomes will be. For us as individuals or for us as the world population.

But, at present, the balance seems well in favour of accepting vaccination. In my mind.

Absolutely, with no evidence on so many important factors, it comes down to our own beliefs.

Ultimately we each know our own circumstances:

1) Getting infected risk.

2) Risk of infecting others.

3) Age related risk of suffering worse if we do get infected.

4) Age related risk of suffering eventual harm from the insufficiently tested vaccines.

At 85, living alone, staying indoors, meeting hardly anyone else, keeping good distancing, mask wearing, means my risk from 1 and 2 is so small that it's almost negligible. That in turn minimises my number 3 age risk. And my risk from number 4 is non existent since I have no longer term future. So with no minuses I might as well have the jab to conform, even though there are almost no advantages in doing so.

If the preceding were fully applied to my 55 year old circumstances there would be two key differences. Firstly my number 3 age related risk of suffering badly if infected would be lower. Secondly the risk if any from number 4 would be higher with a likelyhood of around 30 years future to live. Therefore on balance I would have refused the early jab being offered in a rush mass injection program.

If the preceding were fully applied to my 35 year old circumstances, my number 1 risks would have been very high due to volume of people I was meeting back then. That in turn would raise my number 2 risk of infecting others. My number 3 risk would be quite low due to the younger age, but my number 4 risk if any would be much higher with a long future to live. The balance of these risks would mean I'd happily accept the early jab then.

Each of us will have our own set of current circumstances from which we are entitled to reach our own conclusions.
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[Zlatan]

Absolutely, with no evidence on so many important factors, it comes down to our own beliefs.

Ultimately we each know our own circumstances:

1) Getting infected risk.

2) Risk of infecting others.

3) Age related risk of suffering worse if we do get infected.

4) Age related risk of suffering eventual harm from the insufficiently tested vaccines.

At 85, living alone, staying indoors, meeting hardly anyone else, keeping good distancing, mask wearing, means my risk from 1 and 2 is so small that it's almost negligible. That in turn minimises my number 3 age risk. And my risk from number 4 is non existent since I have no longer term future. So with no minuses I might as well have the jab to conform, even though there are almost no advantages in doing so.

If the preceding were fully applied to my 55 year old circumstances there would be two key differences. Firstly my number 3 age related risk of suffering badly if infected would be lower. Secondly the risk if any from number 4 would be higher with a likelyhood of around 30 years future to live. Therefore on balance I would have refused the early jab being offered in a rush mass injection program.

If the preceding were fully applied to my 35 year old circumstances, my number 1 risks would have been very high due to volume of people I was meeting back then. That in turn would raise my number 2 risk of infecting others. My number 3 risk would be quite low due to the younger age, but my number 4 risk if any would be much higher with a long future to live. The balance of these risks would mean I'd happily accept the early jab then.

Each of us will have our own set of current circumstances from which we are entitled to reach our own conclusions.
.

Good post flecc.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

No the EC did not threaten to trigger Article 16. Nor did it trigger Article 16. What it did do was initiated a proposal which WOULD BE POSSIBLY INTERPRETED as potentially doing that, . When it was brought to their attention that this was a possible interpretation or consequence, they immediately withdrew it. This was brought to the ECs attention by the Irish Taoiseach, following the newsreports Article 16 was never discussed in any documents
Contrast that, if you will, with the statement made in Westminster about " breaking the NI Protocol in a specific and limited manner" .. some weeks ago. Now the UK did not trigger that break then, but certainly threatened it.
So you may reassure your friend that all is well in the REAL World.

Of course they did.

Look, it’s ok to make an error, it happens often enough here. However, it is a bit daft if you to defend the indefensible.

 

[Zlatan]

Rumours of us giving vaccines to Ireland to help them out of their EU mess...
Even Jeremy Vine has completely altered his tune towards EU... Liz Truss on this morning... Actually sounded like some in our government are almost competent... Our govt has done itself lots of favours with vaccine handling... So far... Fingers crossed.

 

[Zlatan]

Danidl

A relative perhaps.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Rumours of us giving vaccines to Ireland to help them out of their EU mess...
Even Jeremy Vine has completely altered his tune towards EU... Liz Truss on this morning... Actually sounded like some in our government are almost competent... Our govt has done itself lots of favours with vaccine handling... So far... Fingers crossed.

Absolutely the correct thing to do. As I keep saying, there is no Team U.K. or Team EU. The sooner people realise that and pull together the better.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

The South African Covid variant is here.

 

[oldgroaner]

He’s 100% correct though. Accepting a vaccination which you then spend your days trying to convince people of its danger is perverse.

You should put up or shut up. Seeing as you haven’t put up by refusing the dangerous vaccine (in your distorted world), I suggest that you shut up.

I do wish you wouldn't apply your own hangups and simply read my posts, both you and Zlatan have an unfortunate talent to assume that I have the sort of ulterior moves you subscribe to yourselves.
I pointed out where things were being done incorrectly for the wrong reasons, and you don't like that.
I was right as events have proved
rather than carrying on like a pair of spoilt children
apologise, you were both wrong and now you are "doing a Boris"
and trying to blag your way out of an embarrassing situation of your own creation.
Man up or shut up

 

[oldgroaner]

Danidl
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A relative perhaps.

Still trying to prove you are an idiot? give up Zlatan, we know already.