Brexit, for once some facts.
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no, she won that appeal. That's the problem.
The Home Office now takes the case to the Supreme Court.
I think you’ve answered your question.
Thousands of people who despise Europe, the way of life and the freedoms. Some of these people are eager to Jill themselves and take as many innocent people with them as possible. They are now entering Europe and we can’t monitor, control or try to work with them, there is simply too many.
All you can do is store these people as cheaply as possible. That would be some form of prison island where they survive in a self governed self sufficiency manner.
flecc... The argument about the law is threadbare .. as this Wiki indicates.
Bluntly your home secretary LIED in court. she does not have dual citizenship.
Legal difficulties[edit]
The main difficulty surrounding Begum's pursuit of citizenship in order to return to the United Kingdom is the contrasting interpretations and perspectives around making her stateless (without citizenship in any country). Making citizens stateless is deemed unlawful according to both UK National Law (British Nationality Act 1981 section 40[35]) and UN international law (1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness), of which the UK is a signatory. Shamima Begum was born a British citizen under UK law as her father (despite having already left the UK) had Indefinite Leave to Remain and so had the "settled in the United Kingdom" status that the 1981 Nationality Act Describes as being a satisfactory prerequisite to allow Begum to be born a British citizen[36][37].
Chronology of Begum's pursuit of citizenship[edit]
On 15 April, it was reported that Begum had been granted Legal Aid to fight the revocation of her British citizenship. Hunt described the Legal Aid Agency's decision as "very uncomfortable", but said that the UK is "a country that believes that people with limited means should have access to the resources of the state if they want to challenge the decisions the state has made about them".[38]
On 3 May, Bangladeshi foreign minister Abdul Momen repeated their position on Begum but further added that if she entered Bangladesh she will face the death penalty due to the nation's "zero tolerance policy" towards terrorism.[39]
In August 2019, the Metropolitan Police requested media organisations that had interviewed Begum—the BBC, ITN, Sky News and The Times—to surrender any unpublished material they may hold about Begum. They seek disclosure under the Terrorism Act 2000 in order to prepare potential prosecution.[40]
Her lawyer, Tasnime Akunjee, has travelled to Kurdish occupied Syria to meet with Begum, but has been turned away.[41]
On 16 July 2020, the Court of Appeal ruled that Begum can return to the UK to contest the government's decision to rescind her British citizenship. It is currently unclear how she will return to the UK to plead her case, as the British government previously stated that they will never let her return.[42]
Bluntly your home secretary LIED in court. she does not have dual citizenship.
Legal difficulties[edit]
The main difficulty surrounding Begum's pursuit of citizenship in order to return to the United Kingdom is the contrasting interpretations and perspectives around making her stateless (without citizenship in any country). Making citizens stateless is deemed unlawful according to both UK National Law (British Nationality Act 1981 section 40[35]) and UN international law (1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness), of which the UK is a signatory. Shamima Begum was born a British citizen under UK law as her father (despite having already left the UK) had Indefinite Leave to Remain and so had the "settled in the United Kingdom" status that the 1981 Nationality Act Describes as being a satisfactory prerequisite to allow Begum to be born a British citizen[36][37].
Chronology of Begum's pursuit of citizenship[edit]
On 15 April, it was reported that Begum had been granted Legal Aid to fight the revocation of her British citizenship. Hunt described the Legal Aid Agency's decision as "very uncomfortable", but said that the UK is "a country that believes that people with limited means should have access to the resources of the state if they want to challenge the decisions the state has made about them".[38]
On 3 May, Bangladeshi foreign minister Abdul Momen repeated their position on Begum but further added that if she entered Bangladesh she will face the death penalty due to the nation's "zero tolerance policy" towards terrorism.[39]
In August 2019, the Metropolitan Police requested media organisations that had interviewed Begum—the BBC, ITN, Sky News and The Times—to surrender any unpublished material they may hold about Begum. They seek disclosure under the Terrorism Act 2000 in order to prepare potential prosecution.[40]
Her lawyer, Tasnime Akunjee, has travelled to Kurdish occupied Syria to meet with Begum, but has been turned away.[41]
On 16 July 2020, the Court of Appeal ruled that Begum can return to the UK to contest the government's decision to rescind her British citizenship. It is currently unclear how she will return to the UK to plead her case, as the British government previously stated that they will never let her return.[42]
No... Not possible. she ALREADY HAS UK CITIZENSHIP ... see the facts as outlined in the wiki.
The one protection in law is that by international agreement a citizen cannot have their sole citizenship removed, making them stateless. Having a right to Bangladeshi citizenship by a family relationship meant Begum had no protection from losing the British one. She was just one of many, we removed British citzenship from 14 people in 2016 and 104 people in 2017, so her case is not exceptional.
Boris Johnson had dual nationality having been born in New York, but he renounced his American citizenship in 2017 in protest at what he termed the outrageous US tax liabilities on his sale of a property.
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She has the option to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship but has declined to exercise it. That is why her High Court application rightly failed.
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She has less right to Bangladeshi citizenship,than UK citizenship. This is British arrogance at its most blatant. They are seeking to force another country to award citizenship to a UK subject after the fact. Normal diplomacy would have had them negotiate with the other government and have arranged that citizenship would be transferred, BEFORE making that as an argument in court. She did not have and does not have dual citizenship,the action of the Home Secretary was a against UK and International Law, and he used the prestige of his office to LIE.
The current court case will expose that lie.
The situation with BJ is a total red herring... and you have the wit to know that. Dual citizenship is different than single .
ILLEGALLY... And that is the point. That cannot be done, under UK or UN law.
No it isn't, the option existed. Two facts:
Begum had already said she didn't want to pursue the Bangladeshi option, saying she wanted to return to Britain with her child for the child's sake.
While at the same location she confirmed that she still retained her Jihadi beliefs.
The Home Secretary made the right decision in court to protect us, that taking priority over all other factors as is his duty
Danidl you are being ridiculously idealistic. With the death of her sick new born baby Begum lost her reason for wanting to return but now years later wants to take advantage of us. She is an obvious future danger.
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It can be done and was done, fait accompli.
That it was against law is academic, it happened and was enforced. It is far from unusual for illegal orders to be made and enforced, our government has done it a number of times in connection with the Human Rights Act, some far more deserving than Begum.
Wakey, wakey Danidl, the law is being broken by authorities all around you all the time and the British government are champions at it. They even pass illegal laws and then enforce them on a grand scale, the Sex Offecnces Act 2003 for example, ruled as illegal under both UK and EU law individually by Germany, France and Italy. It breaches both the Human Rights Act and the Geneva Convention.
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They have a saying in the US, The sky is blue....The grass is green and on the 20th Jan 2021 Joe Biden will become America's 46th President.
When they find that truckload full of ballot slips with Trump's name ticked on them hidden deep in the Wyoming desert Biden will still be 46th President.
When they find that truckload full of ballot slips with Trump's name ticked on them hidden deep in the Wyoming desert Biden will still be 46th President.
It can and the proof is in that it’s been done. She is no more a U.K. citizen than she is an Irish citizen.
That's a lot of votes....
Joe Biden has received more than 80 million votes in the 2020 presidential election, the first-ever candidate to do so, as the president-elect prepares to announce his administration in the weeks leading up to his inauguration on 20 January.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/joe-biden-election-result-trump-b1761117.html
Joe Biden 80,086,825 votes 51.1%
Donald Trump 73,902,604 votes 47.1%
https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker?
Joe Biden has received more than 80 million votes in the 2020 presidential election, the first-ever candidate to do so, as the president-elect prepares to announce his administration in the weeks leading up to his inauguration on 20 January.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/joe-biden-election-result-trump-b1761117.html
Joe Biden 80,086,825 votes 51.1%
Donald Trump 73,902,604 votes 47.1%
https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker?