Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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VFR knows how to provoke a reaction - shake it a bit.
He has not posted anything unverifiable though.
Trump was not cheating, his taking steroids was prescribed by his doctor.
If you wanted to take steroids, and you were president of the USA, you could, without a shadow of doubt, put enough pressure on a doctor to prescribe them.

Pinch of salt needed with that claim.
 

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I suggest a new amendment to the USA constitution. All tax records must be published before anyone can be put on a ballot paper, for anything. Mayor. Congress. Police chief. Senator. And every year in office - otherwise they lose office. No loopholes, apparent or real, like claiming an audit.

And similar here in the UK as well.
all recent presidents published their tax returns except Trump.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Denmark, with it's much tighter lockdowns, has suffered many less deaths (than sweden). And its economic impact from covid is similar to Sweden's. Managing the pandemic properly with lockdown can be good for the economy in the long run.
It’s not a tighter lockdown, it’s just a higher proportion of their population know how to behave. Unlike this country.
 
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Denmark, with it's much tighter lockdowns, has suffered many less deaths (than sweden). And its economic impact from covid is similar to Sweden's. Managing the pandemic properly with lockdown can be good for the economy in the long run.
So far for Denmark. Look at all the other false dawns so far before counting chickens.

And no-one knows the outcome and who is right until the end of the pandemic, least of all the scientists on their performance so far.
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Flecc will appreciate London going to Tier 2. Midnight Friday.
No tears here, I will still be living with no change as ever, leaving the rest of the country to their fictions, like the count going up everywhere.

No it hasn't, mine has stayed stubbornly at zero, as it has for all the many I know and have contact with around here in London, Surrey and Kent.

And I don't have an R, just an Rsole.
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She's another dumb one, not realising that for every country it's a balance of lives against eventual economic cost, she's only thinking about deaths.

Every country chooses how many die, Sweden has made its choice and the UK is no exemplar in this respect.
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Said it before, say it again you cannot do a deal with the devil there is no balance it's not a political decision.
 

jonathan.agnew

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So far for Denmark. Look at all the other false dawns so far before counting chickens.

And no-one knows the outcome and who is right until the end of the pandemic, least of all the scientists on their performance so far.
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We are fabulously rich Flecc. The fact that the bulk of that is in tax havens and belong to a few organised criminals and their political puppets that couldnt spend it if they lived a thousand lives is the problem
 

Barry Shittpeas

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No tears here, I will still be living with no change as ever, leaving the rest of the country to their fictions, like the count going up everywhere.

No it hasn't, mine has stayed stubbornly at zero, as it has for all the many I know and have contact with around here in London, Surrey and Kent.

And I don't have an R, just an Rsole.
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I agree, there is no need to panic or for people’s guts to turn to water. Equally, there is no need to carry on as though nothing is happening.

All people need to do is make simple adjustments. For example, our Sunday morning bike rides: avoid pitching in to help repair a puncture or mechanic, if you do handle another person’s bike, wipe it down and sanitize your hands. No indoor café stops, don’t ride in slipstreams. These sorts of minor adjustments can be made to many areas of life / recreation and dramatically reduce the risks of transmission.

The problem we have is that the majority of British people are too stupid to apply themselves and adapt to this sudden change caused by Coronavirus. They start banging on about civil liberties and their rights. Sorry, a virus doesn’t respect those things, but their heads are too full of shite for that fact to sink in.
 
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He has not posted anything unverifiable though.
That's right. I find it amazing how readily these guys go into denial when presented with verified facts.

I keep telling you, the mainstream media, is under the control of multi-billionaires that are attempting to control everything you see and hear. That includes Brexit, Covid, US elections and world affairs. Every opinion you have is based on the information that comes into your brain. When the information is false or biased, your opinion becomes false or biased.

I have witnessed some relatively recent events directly with my own eyes: A BLM Rally, The patriots' rally the following week, a Tommy Robinson rally plus more. What was reported on TV, in the newspapers and all the mainstream internet was just about 180 deg opposite to what I witnessed. I went to these events to verify whether the theory I had in my head about misinformation matched the facts. It did.

I started to think about these things a few years ago, when I put a virtual reality headset on. I realised what a profound effect it had in bending reality. After I took it off, I started to wonder about a lot of things. My first question or thought was: How do I know whether everything I believe about Putin is true because I'd never met the guy. Many other questions started to follow rapidly after that, so I've spent the last three years trying to get to the truth about all these things.

I'm good at solving problems. I can see when facts don't add up. I'm telling you straight, with all the things you've been discussing, you've been sold a dummy.
 

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My first question or thought was: How do I know whether everything I believe about Putin is true because I'd never met the guy. Many other questions started to follow rapidly after that, so I've spent the last three years trying to get to the truth about all these things.
it's a question of reputation and we trust systems.
When you pay by contact, how can you be sure that the retailers did not show one amount on one screen and debit your card another amount?
When you put a pill in your mouth, how do you know it is what it says on the box?
It is by experience that you pay hundreds of times by contact and have not been cheated and also pop thousands of pills without any adverse effect. That's why you trust the reputation of the guys from Ingenico that program the terminal or the factory that makes your pills.

The problem with Mr Trump is he dismissed any questions he does not like as 'fake news' and repeats his version 3 times. That suggests he cannot be trusted and he suffers delusions. I trust what Putin says over what Donald Trump says any day.
 

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That's right. I find it amazing how readily these guys go into denial when presented with verified facts.

I keep telling you, the mainstream media, is under the control of multi-billionaires that are attempting to control everything you see and hear. That includes Brexit, Covid, US elections and world affairs. Every opinion you have is based on the information that comes into your brain. When the information is false or biased, your opinion becomes false or biased.

I have witnessed some relatively recent events directly with my own eyes: A BLM Rally, The patriots' rally the following week, a Tommy Robinson rally plus more. What was reported on TV, in the newspapers and all the mainstream internet was just about 180 deg opposite to what I witnessed. I went to these events to verify whether the theory I had in my head about misinformation matched the facts. It did.

I started to think about these things a few years ago, when I put a virtual reality headset on. I realised what a profound effect it had in bending reality. After I took it off, I started to wonder about a lot of things. My first question or thought was: How do I know whether everything I believe about Putin is true because I'd never met the guy. Many other questions started to follow rapidly after that, so I've spent the last three years trying to get to the truth about all these things.

I'm good at solving problems. I can see when facts don't add up. I'm telling you straight, with all the things you've been discussing, you've been sold a dummy.
Senate Repubicans investigated Biden & son and came up with diddly squat apart from Rudy Giuliani being involved with criminals (Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were part of a conspiracy to funnel foreign money into U.S. elections) - Right wing extremists CTers / Q followers are now accusing Barr of being deep state... Down the rabbit hole it goes...
 
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Many years ago I went into a newsagents for my usual free read and it was the day after a safety deposit box raid.
Needless to say all the newspapers were full of it, I can still see all the headlines now " £10 million Robbery - £7 Million Raid - £9 Million Heist, every single paper put a different figure on it .... why ? well who knows what's stashed away in those boxes the law doesn't, the deposit box company doesn't neither do the people depositing their I'll gotten gains. Nobody really knows inc the newspapers so in reality it was all bunkum just like much of what you hear & read in all sections of the media. I know a chap who believes Tony Blair is a communist and who knows perhaps he is in the closet.
 

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Many years ago I went into a newsagents for my usual free read and it was the day after a safety deposit box raid.
Needless to say all the newspapers were full of it, I can still see all the headlines now " £10 million Robbery - £7 Million Raid - £9 Million Heist, every single paper put a different figure on it .... why ? well who knows what's stashed away in those boxes the law doesn't, the deposit box company doesn't neither do the people depositing their I'll gotten gains. Nobody really knows inc the newspapers so in reality it was all bunkum just like much of what you hear & read in all sections of the media. I know a chap who believes Tony Blair is a communist and who knows perhaps he is in the closet.
Everybody's got an agenda (and all secondhand information is subjective). I'm always fascinated by the way the bbc initially sucks up to the establishment (even a complete bellend like boris) until it becomes completely clear their on their way out (boris despite his majority in the house of commons has I think psychologically passed this point in everyone's minds) at which point they attack them (sometimes even in contrived unfair ways). I think the key is to see the agenda and wash out the facts
 
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That's right. I find it amazing how readily these guys go into denial when presented with verified facts.

I keep telling you, the mainstream media, is under the control of multi-billionaires that are attempting to control everything you see and hear. That includes Brexit, Covid, US elections and world affairs. Every opinion you have is based on the information that comes into your brain. When the information is false or biased, your opinion becomes false or biased.

I have witnessed some relatively recent events directly with my own eyes: A BLM Rally, The patriots' rally the following week, a Tommy Robinson rally plus more. What was reported on TV, in the newspapers and all the mainstream internet was just about 180 deg opposite to what I witnessed. I went to these events to verify whether the theory I had in my head about misinformation matched the facts. It did.

I started to think about these things a few years ago, when I put a virtual reality headset on. I realised what a profound effect it had in bending reality. After I took it off, I started to wonder about a lot of things. My first question or thought was: How do I know whether everything I believe about Putin is true because I'd never met the guy. Many other questions started to follow rapidly after that, so I've spent the last three years trying to get to the truth about all these things.

I'm good at solving problems. I can see when facts don't add up. I'm telling you straight, with all the things you've been discussing, you've been sold a dummy.
Being sceptical is common sense. Being paranoid is beyond common sense. Start with trust. I take it you trusted that the milk in your cereal today was not radioactive strontium.! You probably trusted that the car passing you would not deliberately veer into you. You probably trusted that the bank does not take more than agreed share of your wealth.
Me I am a trusting soul, and I trusted that guy on Monday who was sticking tubes and wires around my heart and blowing balloons at 20 ATMs in my arteries. He in turn trusted that I would pay my bill and that the air compressor was reading accurately. But I have a less level of trust in second hand car salesmen, or estate agents .. especially those who contradict themselves in consecutive sentences. I trusted my Mother , but in the last year of her life she could within THE SAME SENTENCE say .. nobody visits me for months ..I point to the flowers .where did they come from " my daughter brought them two hours ago and then immediately repeat "nobody visits me". My mother was no real estate dealer, but I could recognise dementia.
But in the case of Pres. Trump, he never developed beyond the car salesman spiel. I don't need his conversations curated by others , I listen to his live broadcasts.. perhaps you also should.
 
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