Brexit, for once some facts.

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And surely our parliament is the biggest bunch of amateurs yet, so likely to remain loyal to amateurism whenever some unexpected need arises. I'm just surprised they haven't asked the general public to have a bash at knocking up a vaccine.
I have not laughed so much all day!
 
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Great flu jab service from my local doctor's surgery. The group practice web site said flu jabs would commence November, but that's far too late. So I phoned the local surgery of the practice and they said they were conducting walk-ins, so if I could get down by 12 noon i could have one today.

So I did that immediately and found they had a table outside on the forecourt with all the goodies and two masked staff. So mask on, jacket off, jab in and away in seconds with next person arriving and another approaching a short distance away.

An example of "get it done" efficiency the rest of the NHS really needs to follow.
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Wrong in everything, rational thought is the opposite of juvenile.

You say the prime purpose of any organism is to exist, but you should have completed that by adding, for no purpose. That's why humanity continues to search in vain for a purpose to life. There is none and never will be since this isn't a biological universe.

And once again you prevent rational consideration by your thoughts being corrupted by political obsession.

Our natural fully fit and healthy lifespan has nothing whatsoever to do with the Middle Ages of yesteryear, or more recent science and medicine. It is solely due to evolution and it isn't anything remotely like today's eighty odd years of continued life at any cost.
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Thank you but I'll stick to life till it kills me than you very much, as far as I'm concerned I'm in no hurry to disappear for the profit or convenience of others, nor condone them inflicting that notion on anyone else.
 
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Lorry drivers will face de-facto Brexit border in Kent, Gove confirms
Drivers will need a ‘Kent Access Permit’ to get into UK from 1 January, Gove tells Commons
If the KAP fits...

We go from only a notional border to an Irish Sea border plus a Kent border - and probably several more around the country.

That really sets us free.
 

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Not in any way political, simply the commonsense of the truth in everything I posted there.

To be read in rational thinking mode, free of the bias of preconceptions.
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Thankfully people early on started acting more caringly than you advocate

 

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Great flu jab service from my local doctor's surgery. The group practice web site said flu jabs would commence November, but that's far too late. So I phoned the local surgery of the practice and they said they were conducting walk-ins, so if I could get down by 12 noon i could have one today.

So I did that immediately and found they had a table outside on the forecourt with all the goodies and two masked staff. So mask on, jacket off, jab in and away in seconds with next person arriving and another approaching a short distance away.

An example of "get it done" efficiency the rest of the NHS really needs to follow.
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But probably very much wasted as most patients wouldn't have known about it.
 

flecc

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I'm in no hurry to disappear for the profit or convenience of others, nor condone them inflicting that notion on anyone else.
No-one is, which is why we've dug such a deep hole of debt and poor immediate future for ourselves.

Admittedly our government has made a terrible mess of protecting us, but it's hardly been done on the cheap. I've never seen so many billions being scattered.

Your wanting to prolongue life isn't as widespread as you think. If the government had asked the public whether they wanted to spend all the hundreds of billions on Covid or each household receive a Lotto jackpot, we both know the Lotto jackpot would be the choice.
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But probably very much wasted as most patients wouldn't have known about it.
The evil of today's large group group practice online "services". It was going to the website and finding it impossible to get my usual repeat prescription due to them advertising a stupid mobile App called Dr IQ that prompted me to phone the local surgery.

When will people wake up to the reality that mobile phone coverage isn't remotely the 95% claimed by goverment and that many millions have no mobile phone signal?
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Wrong in everything, rational thought is the opposite of juvenile.

You say the prime purpose of any organism is to exist, but you should have completed that by adding, for no purpose. That's why humanity continues to search in vain for a purpose to life. There is none and never will be since this isn't a biological universe.

And once again you prevent rational consideration by your thoughts being corrupted by political obsession.

Our natural fully fit and healthy lifespan has nothing whatsoever to do with the Middle Ages of yesteryear, or more recent science and medicine. It is solely due to evolution and it isn't anything remotely like today's eighty odd years of continued life at any cost.
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Perhaps there's some truth to the cliche that purpose/meaning is a byproduct of attachment, caring for others. Imagine for a moment a rabid psychopath like moggy was at the helm with (my hero) grayling as counsellor and we followed a radical version of Swedish model (tipped all the money into tory donors and other hanger ons pockets and let 2% to 5% of all vulnerable citizens - say around 2 to 3 million die). We'd come financially out better off per capita, but with the kind of heartless hole at the heart of our culture that would make Macbeth's angst look tame.
 

oldgroaner

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Please read what is posted. Once again, an artificial situation created by our being saddled by a survival instinct from birth which blocks rational thought.
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Agreed, but I'm for the survival instinct, it has a better track record in the Survival states than rational thought!

After all how many millions thought rational thought was being employed when voting for this government?
They would have done better listening to their survival instinct! :D
 
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The evil of today's large group group practice online "services". It was going to the website and finding it impossible to get my usual repeat prescription due to them advertising a stupid mobile App called Dr IQ that prompted me to phone the local surgery.

When will people wake up to the reality that mobile phone coverage isn't remotely the 95% claimed by goverment and that many millions have no mobile phone signal?
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I suspect that awareness of no mobile signal might be higher round here. I am on Three and partner on EE (well, a piggyback onto EE), and we don't do too badly. But there are quite a few places there is absolutely nothing.

I hate using my phone for doing things - always go back to PC (or maybe tablet) to really do things. But as you say, plenty don't have them at all.

I have had to send off some of my medicine because it is defective. So I tried calling my GP surgery - but they had no suitable phone option. Eventually found an email address and asked them what to do?

No reply so went to pharmacy - who told me the surgery had issued a new prescription. But no-one told me!
 
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Thankfully people early on started acting more caringly than you advocate
You really are good at completely misreading what is posted. At no point have I mentioned disability, nor have I make any mention of not caring for those born disabled. I'm merely promoting some rational thought rather than the all too common sole reliance on emotional reactions and the assumption that everyone wants to cling onto life or that it's always worthwhile.

I know how my mother's peaceful passing into death was stopped by a crash trolley team, only for her to die a truly terrible death three months later at 78 years old. At the time she was revived back to life she was furious, since she had known she was drifting into peaceful death and that is what she wanted.

I cared for my father through a three year extension to his life, with each of those years becoming increasingly insufferable for him. With his later hindsight he would have preferred to have died at 85 rather than suffering the extension to 88.

And I know my brother would have accepted his Covid mentioned death at 87 in May this year, since he'd already firmly stated he didn't want a replacement when his nine year previously replaced valve failed. He'd not only had that open heart surgery, shortly afterwards he went down with bowel cancer, followed by chemotherapy, radiotherapy, a string of less than successful operations and a compromised and very restricted life. Basically he'd had enough of medical skills and was ready to go at any time, so it didn't surprise me when he didn't respond to the hospital covid care.

Those who would protract life are all too often not just uncaring but evil, as witness them passing laws to prevent those desperate to die from seeking assistance to that end.
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oldgroaner

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Perhaps there's some truth to the cliche that purpose/meaning is a byproduct of attachment, caring for others. Imagine for a moment a rabid psychopath like moggy was at the helm with (my hero) grayling as counsellor and we followed a radical version of Swedish model (tipped all the money into tory donors and other hanger ons pockets and let 2% to 5% of all vulnerable citizens - say around 2 to 3 million die). We'd come financially out better off per capita, but with the kind of heartless hole at the heart of our culture that would make Macbeth's angst look tame.
There isn't much point of having any sort of society if it is primarily a financial racket.
Protecting the vulnerable is the primary purpose it should have, and all else should be tailored to ensure that prime imperative is met.
 
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No-one is, which is why we've dug such a deep hole of debt and poor immediate future for ourselves.

Admittedly our government has made a terrible mess of protecting us, but it's hardly been done on the cheap. I've never seen so many billions being scattered.

Your wanting to prolongue life isn't as widespread as you think. If the government had asked the public whether they wanted to spend all the hundreds of billions on Covid or each household receive a Lotto jackpot, we both know the Lotto jackpot would be the choice.
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I think they try to protect the NHS from collapsing under Covid admissions and a few billions go inevitably to friends of people in the right places.
 
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flecc

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I suspect that awareness of no mobile signal might be higher round here.
For those like me who have no signal, the awareness is always equal.

I have had to send off some of my medicine because it is defective. So I tried calling my GP surgery - but they had no suitable phone option.
But before these combined group practices there was a suitable option, the human who answered the phone at the outset, without incantations of which number to press for which option.

My one instantly dealt with both issues, the prescription renewal and an immediate flu jab, both apparently completely beyond the ability of the "improved" online service.
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I'm not swallowing that circular argument for one moment.

The purpose of life is to maintain life!
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That's a biological obsession, not exactly a purpose or a meaning. Speaking as a middleaged bloke I'd say it's about feeling alive rather than maintaining biological life (drunk adolescents at 3am in Glasgow or on the beach in faliraki may disagree). at risk of sounding very moralistic I'd rather live in a more or less civilised caring society than have more money I wouldn't really know what to do with.

That reminds me of a (bad) joke - that anyone who doesn't believe we evolved from apes should visit the beach in faliraki at 3am on a sunday morning
 
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