Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

But typical of a certain generation of teachers to stereotype indiscriminately - it should I think be asocial ( which I am quite as well) not antisocial (unless you repeatedly tried to set his car alight)

He didn't have one, nor any of the teachers since there were almost no cars just after the war. But while they were still walking and cycling I bought my first one only five years after being expelled, so my asociality didn't exactly harm me!

I think what prompted his comment was my insistence on smoking in the corridors when walking between lessons, and his dismal failure to beat that habit out of me with a bamboo cane.
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[oyster]

Your and my understanding of "level" may be different:

Many families "to lose loved ones" announces UK prime minister

Boris Johnson said the coronavirus outbreak was “the worst public health crisis for a generation” and the number of cases could be “much higher” than had been confirmed.

Johnson said he had to level with the British public that “many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time”.

We are now getting onto the next phase in that plan because this is now not just an attempt to contain the disease as far as possible but to delay the spread and thereby minimise the suffering.

He said even if the peak of the disease is delayed by a “few weeks” the NHS will be in a stronger position to handle it because of the improving weather, more beds will be available and there will be greater time for medical research.

 

[oldgroaner]

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What I want to know is when are we going to start to the "Destroy the Virus threat" stage? why is nothing being said about fighting to find a cure?

 

[oldgroaner]

Is there any scientific proof that coronavirus can't be spread by ESP between close family members?

Exactly as much that which says it can

 

[oyster]

The government is being open and honest:

Q: When do you think older people will be asked to stay at home? And how old is old?

Vallance says the peak is probably 10 to 14 weeks away, maybe longer. Even to cover the peak, you would need to ensure that those sorts of measures would be in place for 12 or 13 weeks or so.

Whitty say people may get individual advice from their GP. But national guidance will also be issued at the appropriate time, he says.

And won't tell us how old is old. And expects people to volunteer. And implies we should ask our GPs.

In terms of going out and volunteering to do something, I would be happy. But not without trustworthy advice on whether my age implies I should not do so. And am I really supposed to ask my GP who (we are told) should be avoided as they are already very busy.

 

[Wicky]

Prof Chris Witty says there is no scientific evidence yet for closing schools.

The Chief Medical Officer says the "one silver lining" of coronavirus is it looks as if children are affected much less than adults.

He adds: "It is not our view they do not get infected, we think they probably do, but they seem to have a much milder disease.

"Closing schools has big knock-on effects across society and has to be justified for very strong reasons.

"And the evidence for doing this appears to be quite weak."

That'll save paying out a few pensions as teachers and other staff close to retirement catch it - and kids can spread it to others to take home...

Funnily enough today been invited to a governors visit day on April 1st - should I attend Full Day / Half day / in full NBC kit - respectully decline...

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

oldgroaner@oldgroaner
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What I want to know is when are we going to start to the "Destroy the Virus threat" stage? why is nothing being said about fighting to find a cure?

work is going on to find a vaccine/cure. But as you know full well, this is a lengthy process involving trials to ensure that any solution is safe for use in humans. It’s not an overnight process, and the virus will have done its worst by the time the vaccine becomes available.

 

[flecc]

And how old is old?

This is going to vary considerably with the individual of course.

I'd say check the history of your parents and their siblings and average their age at death.

Then if within ten years of that familial mean age, that is old. For it is in that decade that physical decline and vulnerability to illnesses becomes most apparent.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

I think the worst aspect of this virus outbreak is the fact that people are literally going to be on their own to fight this. People who are gravely ill are not going to get any assistance whatsoever. Families are going to standby helplessly whilst their loved ones die due to lack of care capacity.

The capacity to care for people is going to be hit at both ends. The available spaces are going to be blocked by people already in need of assistance, and the number of carers available to care for the ill will reduce because some of those will have contracted the virus.

It might sound over the top, but I’m cutting out all social contact, except for what is absolutely necessary and unavoidable, from now onwards until this situation has recovered from how it is today.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Just for the sake of clarity, old means of pensionable age or greater. Once you reach that stage you are of no use to the country.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

How about the government commandeering private hospitals and healthcare facilities? What about banning all doctors from practising private medicine, and conscripting them back into the health service which paid for their training to fight this war on the virus? I say this as a person who has private insurance.

This is what a leader would do, and the, head on, face down the critics and the opponents.

The trouble is we don’t have any leaders. We just have people that make noise and then hide.

 

[flecc]

Just for the sake of clarity, old means of pensionable age or greater. Once you reach that stage you are of no use to the country.

That's the economic definition.

My physiologically based one is on this link.
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[oyster]

work is going on to find a vaccine/cure. But as you know full well, this is a lengthy process involving trials to ensure that any solution is safe for use in humans. It’s not an overnight process, and the virus will have done its worst by the time the vaccine becomes available.

The one bit that I am happy about is that, overall, there is clearly an enormous amount of work going on to produce tests, to develop vaccines, to identify and produce medicines that will help.

And I am not in a position to make a real judgement as to whether the UK is doing everything it can, or not.

 

[flecc]

How about the government commandeering private hospitals and healthcare facilities? What about banning all doctors from practising private medicine, and conscripting them back into the health service which paid for their training to fight this war on the virus? I say this as a person who has private insurance.

There are hardly any private doctors, the same NHS ones also do private medicine. And the private hospitals don't have ICUs or A and E, nor isolation facilities beyond the patient's rooms. These share the same staff, including non medical serving food, cleaning etc.
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[oldgroaner]

work is going on to find a vaccine/cure. But as you know full well, this is a lengthy process involving trials to ensure that any solution is safe for use in humans. It’s not an overnight process, and the virus will have done its worst by the time the vaccine becomes available.

Proof required of where progress is being made, counting the bodies is not the way to combat a pandemic
Every effort should be made to find a cure and more importantly be seen to be made.

On a lighter note:

They way we in the west are going on, the only place with a significant population left will be China!
Convenient for them, isn't it?

 

[Nev]

his points are usually challenging but not illogical.

I couldn't see any logic in his fake moon landings claim. Didn't read any of his other claims after that though. I read his post about ebikes in the technical forums on this site but don't bother reading his postings on this forum.

I have a mate very similar to him, very intelligent and high level of engineering knowledge, but does not trust any news he sees on TV such as the BBC, ITV, channel 4 etc. Gets all his news from unregulated sites on the internet, big fan of Trump and Putin, big Brexit supporter too.

I just tease him and make a joke of his ideas and we get along fine but my worry is that there are many people just like him and that numbers seems to be increasing. I blame the internet in particular sites like youtube where all kinds of cranks put forward ideas. These cranks are often very charismatic people and can put forward very convincing arguments to justify their position.

 

[flecc]

It might sound over the top, but I’m cutting out all social contact, except for what is absolutely necessary and unavoidable, from now onwards until this situation has recovered from how it is today.

Well I've managed to pick up something but I don't know if it's the coronavirus yet.

Here's the history:

Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, no contact with anyone, mainly indoors and no symptoms.

Today, Tuesday 12th. Drove to a large Sainsburys at circa 11am and it was exceptionally busy. No contact but inevitably close to others at times. Used card only self service, two machines separated from others.

Driving back I called in at a Waitrose for a couple of items Sainsburys didn't have, again using a well separated self service card machine. Home at just gone noon.

2pm went out for a walk for about three quarters of an hour. The wind was surprisingly chilly with strong gusts and being very sensitive to the cold it chilled me.

4pm a little over an hour after returning home my nose was running, but since I used a nasal decongestant (Xylometazoline hydrochloride) last night and it can provoke a little of this, I took no notice at first.

By 5pm my nose was pouring enough to immediately saturate a handkerchief so clearly a new condition. Checked my temperature since a CV infection raises that, but mine is normal at present, so it's quite possibly a common cold.

I'll keep you informed.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

There are hardly any private doctors, the same NHS ones also do private medicine. And the private hospitals don't have ICUs or A and E, nor isolation facilities beyond the patient's rooms. These share the same staff, including non medical serving food, cleaning etc.
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They way we in the west are going on, the only place with a significant population left will be China!
Convenient for them, isn't it?

These things always seem to come out of China. They are either dirty bastards or they are up to something. My suspicion is the former.

I find the Chinese very strange. I was on a plane on Tuesday, sitting in the aisle seat of the centre block of four. A chinaman approached me and indicated he wanted to enter the row where I was sat. I stood so to allow him access and he sat in my seat. Not only that, he sat on my coat and iPad, both of which were clearly visible. I said something to the affect of what are you doing you ******* stupid ****? And he showed me a boarding pass for the seat directly in front. I was sat in 34 G and he should have been in 33 G. We can all make mistakes, but to just sit on my coat and iPad? I told the ******* idiot to **** off one row forwards, which he did.

That’s just one small example, but I have many others. They generally seem devoid of any notion of the affect of their actions on people around them. Strange bunch best avoided.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Well I've managed to pick up something but I don't know if it's the coronavirus yet.

Here's the history:

Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, no contact with anyone, mainly indoors and no symptoms.

Today, Tuesday 12th. Drove to a large Sainsburys at circa 11am and it was exceptionally busy. No contact but inevitably close to others at times. Used card only self service, two machines separated from others.

Driving back I called in at a Waitrose for a couple of items Sainsburys didn't have, again using a well separated self service card machine. Home at just gone noon.

2pm went out for a walk for about three quarters of an hour. The wind was surprisingly chilly with strong gusts and being very sensitive to the cold it chilled me.

4pm a little over an hour after returning home my nose was running, but since I used a nasal decongestant (Xylometazoline hydrochloride) last night and it can provoke a little of this, I took no notice at first.

By 5pm my nose was pouring enough to immediately saturate a handkerchief so clearly a new condition. Checked my temperature since a CV infection raises that, but mine is normal at present, so it's quite possibly a common cold.

I'll keep you informed.
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I believe a running nose is a good sign. Not a symptom of CV. In this cold wind, my nose has been dripping since the end of September.

 

[Wicky]

This is going to vary considerably with the individual of course.

I'd say check the history of your parents and their siblings and average their age at death.

Then if within ten years of that familial mean age, that is old. For it is in that decade that physical decline and vulnerability to illnesses becomes most apparent.
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A report covering 82 deaths linked to covid-19 in Wuhan found that 80 per cent of those who had died were over the age of 60, and three-quarters of these individuals had other disorders that may have made them more vulnerable, including high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease and cancer.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2235847-coronavirus-what-are-the-worst-symptoms-and-how-deadly-is-covid-19/#ixzz6GVCg8PBk