Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Who cares?
They have to suffer to learn, so let them, and enjoy.
After all it's gone over the edge where common sense could save it, hasn't it?
The important thing is not to allow yourself to become one of the casualties and wait for sense to return
After all even Fingers got there in the end, despite his best efforts.

Bojo needs a sizeable majority (more than 38) to counteract the 28 spartans in the ERG and the 10 DUP.
Those are the ones who will oppose a softy deal with the EU.
I guess he will get fewer than 340 MPs thus will still be stuck.

 

[Danidl]

The assumption that there will not a Crashout in 4 days time is not assured. Just because people are expecting it to be all sorted in the short term does not mean it will. The current legal situation as of now,is that the UK crashes out. Yes there is a request made to the EU, yes the EU have said they are minded to honour that request, but ....

 

[50Hertz]

The assumption that there will not a Crashout in 4 days time is not assured. Just because people are expecting it to be all sorted in the short term does not mean it will.

I think that’s unlikely now the extension has been granted and the Benn act compels Johnson to accept an extension to Brexit if one is offered.

 

[Woosh]

The assumption that there will not a Crashout in 4 days time is not assured. Just because people are expecting it to be all sorted in the short term does not mean it will. The current legal situation as of now,is that the UK crashes out. Yes there is a request made to the EU, yes the EU have said they are minded to honour that request, but ....

it's not going to happen.

 

[Danidl]

I’ve been thinking about this for a while now. Well a few weeks.

I think a lot of it is because of Johnson. And maybe I never thought we’d ever leave at all anyway.

And maybe I’ve been brow beaten by relentless media articles. Which is ironic as I do some of them. I did a piece today for Al Jazeera that was about their presidential race In Argentina. What caught my eye was the rush to buy dollars. But in those same money exchanges was the Euro. It’s seen as stable and importantly, an option against the dollar. The dollar is gold standard because of oil trading. But maybe that won’t be the biggest thing in the next two decades.

Trump is also a factor, it shows us that we can be twisted into things that we really don’t want to do by foreign actors. The inevitable rise of China is also an issue. It’s difficult to play fair when you are against a billion or so brainwashed slaves.

The world is shrinking. But not in a way that empowers the people. Not yet at least. I’ve said for nearly two decades that capitalism will be dead by the turn of this century. If you use capitalism rules it died in 2008. When you print bits of paper and call it money the game is up.

But as Churchill said etc....

Anyway. I don’t want Brexit anymore. I truly believe the current EU is the wrong path. I really do. But looking at the utter spaccachumps we have steering the wheel it’s better than we will ever achieve.

Look at how they have outsmarted them at every turn. I do agree with the argument that we had Lord haw haws and if we had someone committed to the exit we could have made a fist of it. But that’s over now.

It’s clear to see. We need to be tight with Japan, Canada, Italy, Kenya, South Africa, Australia, India, South Korea etc. The world needs the EU.

We should have a confirmatory vote on this deal.

If labour were smart. If Corbyn was half as smart as me, and it’s accepted here I am a moron then he could use this to win an election.

The game is up.

Believe me nothing anyone here has posited has changed my mind. In fact I would say some of you remainists entrenched my views.

Although I will say whoosh saying he will leave the country gave me pause for thought. And fifty, nev and Dave plus my man make me think, I still think it’s bad for us leave the EU.

If anyone wants to make the point that I have bought a cheap Brexit house.

I think that’s fair.

But I am now someone who doesn’t regret voting out. But I would vote in now.

I have relatives ..a cousin living in London,she was English born and married to as English a man ,as one could hope? Fear? to meet.. basically a really decent bloke. They are of course now both retired. They would both have voted Brexit.. yes even in London. Both would be very conservative ,in a traditional not political sense. She certainly has changed her mind, partially because the notion of Johnson offends her, and I suspect he also. In her case she had no idea of possible effects on Ireland. At the time I last spoke with him, a year ago, I could see confusion and doubt starting to arise..

 

[Danidl]

it's not going to happen.

There is a volume of work to be done,and complacency has set in.

 

[daveboy]

At the time I last spoke with him, a year ago, I could see confusion and doubt starting to arise..

To be fair, you do that to all of us.

 

[Danidl]

I think that’s unlikely now the extension has been granted and the Benn act compels Johnson to accept an extension to Brexit if one is offered.

You see. An extension has NOT YET been offered . And the Benn Act has been honoured?. It is not offered without signed pieces of paper circulating

 

[50Hertz]

There is a volume of work to be done,and complacency has set in.

It’s not going to happen.

 

[Danidl]

To be fair, you do that to all of us.

Ahh but he was too polite to mention it!.

 

[Woosh]

There is a volume of work to be done,and complacency has set in.

and there is also a fat cheque. The EU is not going to refuse an extension, ever.

 

[50Hertz]

and there is also a fat cheque. The EU is not going to refuse an extension, ever.

They did grant an extension about an hour ago.

 

[Wicky]

They did grant an extension about an hour ago.

Just need to find somebody in govt to sign it off - Larry??

Meanwhile Operation Brock: No-deal Brexit motorway plan starts on M20

 

[Woosh]

Meanwhile Operation Brock: No-deal Brexit motorway plan starts on M20

that reminds me of a property manager whom I had to deal with, who would find any excuse to order maintenance work - he'll get 10% commission for organising it plus a 'quarterly volume discount' from the builders.

 

[Danidl]

They did grant an extension about an hour ago.

More precisely Mr Trusk has said that all 27 members have agreed ,and that they will be signing paperwork from their side. Their plan is to offer the extension until First day of Spring 2020, unless the UK has agreed the deal, currently in front of them... Note that is not the WAB, but the section in it relating to the Deal. If the Deal is agreed, then the implementation phase and transition phase commences, BEFORE 1st Feb.
So the ball is back with the UK again.

 

[50Hertz]

More precisely Mr Trusk has said that all 27 members have agreed ,and that they will be signing paperwork from their side. Their plan is to offer the extension until First day of Spring 2020, unless the UK has agreed the deal, currently in front of them... Note that is not the WAB, but the section in it relating to the Deal. If the Deal is agreed, then the implementation phase and transition phase commences, BEFORE 1st Feb.
So the ball is back with the UK again.

You have managed to turn 9 into 88 words, confused yourself, and made a balls up. This is becoming a regular occurrence. Keep it short, keep it simple and you are less likely to fack up.

The extension is not until the first day of spring, it’s until 31 January 2020.

 

[Zlatan]

More precisely Mr Trusk has said that all 27 members have agreed ,and that they will be signing paperwork from their side. Their plan is to offer the extension until First day of Spring 2020, unless the UK has agreed the deal, currently in front of them... Note that is not the WAB, but the section in it relating to the Deal. If the Deal is agreed, then the implementation phase and transition phase commences, BEFORE 1st Feb.
So the ball is back with the UK again.

That will help loads. Could be a normal state of affairs for years.
Looking more like another GE, which chances are will give us Tories as major party but no bigger majority.
BJ actually needs a massive majority, he cant rely on rebels who are unlikely to lose seats

 

[Danidl]

You have managed to turn 9 into 88 words, confused yourself, and made a balls up. This is becoming a regular occurrence. Keep it short, keep it simple and you are less likely to fack up.

The extension is not until the first day of spring, it’s until 31 January 2020.

And the next day is?. IE the day when the Extension has EXPIRED.
50 this vomiting of stupidity is tiresome. Indicate onepoint where I was inaccurate. Precision is obviously not your forte

 

[50Hertz]

And the next day is?. IE the day when the Extension has EXPIRED.
50 this vomiting of stupidity is tiresome. Indicate onepoint where I was inaccurate.

The next day, when the extension has expired, will be Saturday 01 February 2020.

Point one of inaccuracy. 01 February is not the first day of Spring.

Pay attention at the back, you must try harder. Don't use too many words, it's causing you confusion. Also, learn your seasons! 3/10

 

[Danidl]

If as now appears the intention is to have GE in December, with a new UK Parliament taking office A fortnight before the potential new expiration date ,the WAB will fall. This means that in all likelihood a further extension will be sought. Two weeks in December ,which includes the Christmas break, will be a very inadequate time to pass major legislation. Under that model the current Parliament will cease to do business about a week from now. So how is a Deal or no Deal going to be expedited?.

The next day, when the extension has expired, will be Saturday 01 February 2020.

Point one of inaccuracy. 01 February is not the first day of Spring.

Pay attention at the back, you must try harder. Don't use too many words, it's causing you confusion and learn the seasons! 3/10

Yes it is.
Imbolc or Imbolg, also called Brigid's Day, is a Gaelic traditional festival marking the beginning of spring. It is held on 1 February, or about halfway between the winter solstice and the spring equinox. Historically, it was widely observed throughout Ireland, Scotland and the Isle of Man. Wikipedia..

.and just in case you whimper, we are a proud and ancient people and have precedence. We had our clock working at Newgrange ..just down the road 30 miles, a good 1000 years before you Britons got your act together in Stonehenge.