Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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What Corbyn wants is this:

1) Out of the EU.
2) To raid the bank accounts and pension pots of savers.
3) To confiscate assets such as second homes, share certificates and public schools.
4) To shovel free money into the pockets of the bone idle.

The problem he faces is packaging that lot into something the public will vote for. That’s why he’s ended looking confused, dodgy, untrustworthy and unelectable.
Looking at that lot I'm surprised you are expecting him to lose!
It should appeal to at least 17.4 million of the electorate , perhaps a lot more!
Is that why he frightens you? :cool:
 
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50Hertz

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And this is the smart ass that came on here to lecture us on being polite and respectful?
I repeat your voting for Brexit makes you responsible for the situation we are now in, the fact that 17.4 million did the same does not lessen your responsibility.
Don’t be too hard on him. The good news is that there is a pathway to redemption. Denounce Brexit, repent on you Brexit vote and pray to the Baby Jesus for forgiveness. I did exactly that and now I feel very righteous and aloof.
 
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And this is the smart ass that came on here to lecture us on being polite and respectful?
I repeat your voting for Brexit makes you responsible for the situation we are now in, the fact that 17.4 million did the same does not lessen your responsibility.
Remember that when things start going seriously downhill.
And try to stop being in your own words
An ignorant little oik.
You won, now admit your responsibility instead of blaming all and sundry
Your choice, your mess.
And now you are wailing because Corbyn won't rescue you?
Tough!
Wash your mouth out you filthy old man.

So rude.
 

oldgroaner

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Don’t be too hard on him. The good news is that there is a pathway to redemption. Denounce Brexit, repent on you Brexit vote and pray to the Baby Jesus for forgiveness. I did exactly that and now I feel very righteous and aloof.
He can't do that, it would mean accepting he was to blame ;)
 

oldgroaner

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Try and post on topic OG.
Thanks.
Oh good grief, lowering yourself to Fingers level just because I reminded you of your responsibility for this mess?
Righto! on topic post coming up.

I think Boris Johnson should be prepared to keep his word to die in a ditch if he expects labour to honour their word and grant him an election.
It's only fair after all to expect people to keep to their word, unless he's too chicken of course. :cool:
 

Zlatan

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He was speaking metaphorically about the ditch, whereas Corbyn granting or refusing an election is real. Besides, Corbyn is agreeing with an election today, he might change his mind though.
 

oldgroaner

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He was speaking metaphorically about the ditch, whereas Corbyn granting or refusing an election is real. Besides, Corbyn is agreeing with an election today, he might change his mind though.
Metaphorically: AKA lying through his teeth?
Corbyn changes his mind when the clockwork runs down and has to be wound up on a daily basis
 

50Hertz

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12/12/2019 comes after 31/10/2019, so the current Conservative leader will be dead in a ditch by then and therefore unable to fight an election. Unless he was lying, again, of course.
 

Zlatan

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12/12/2019 comes after 31/10/2019, so the current Conservative leader will be dead in a ditch by then and therefore unable to fight an election. Unless he was lying, again, of course.
In his defence he actually said "I, d rather be dead in a ditch than negotiate an extension". That may well be true and he doesnt have to be either dead or in a ditch for it to be the case.
He didnt say he, d kill himself in a ditch if he asked for an extension.
And strictly speaking on this instance, whatever happens he isnt necessarily lying.
But, I suspect he was. I doubt he, d actually prefer to be dead in a ditch but he hasnt met OG.
 

oldgroaner

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This is frightening
In the Independent
"The YouGov surveys found that 71 per cent of Leave voters in England, 60 per cent in Scotland and 70 per cent in Wales think violence against MPs would be a ”price worth paying” to deliver Brexit. "
The figures are only slightly lower for Remain supporters, with 58 per cent of pro-EU voters in England, 53 per cent in Scotland and 56 per cent in Wales saying that politicians being attacked would be worth it Britain remained in the EU.

Voters would also be happy to accept members of the public being badly injured in protests if it meant they got their way on Brexit.
Among Leave voters, 69 per cent in England, 62 per cent in Scotland and 70 per cent in Wales think civilians being hurt would be a “price worth paying” for Brexit.
While Remain voters are slightly less willing to accept violence, 57 per cent in England, 56 per cent in Scotland and 57 per cent in Wales would still rather people were badly injured than Britain left the EU.
Bizarrely, around one in 20 voters said they wanted civilians to be injured in protests regardless of their views on Brexit.

The polls were conducted as part of the Future of England survey, which is carried out annually by academics at Cardiff University and the University of Edinburgh.

Brexit has to be stopped before things get even worse. as we predicted.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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You could put a wanking homeless man up for election in Stoke Newington and he would win so long as he was wearing a Labour rosette
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You do have a thing for (unintentional) irony. I do some work with the homeless, in my neck of the woods several have advanced tertiary education and could teach a brexit orifice like you a great deal (if they could be bothered)
 

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This is frightening
In the Independent
"The YouGov surveys found that 71 per cent of Leave voters in England, 60 per cent in Scotland and 70 per cent in Wales think violence against MPs would be a ”price worth paying” to deliver Brexit. "
The figures are only slightly lower for Remain supporters, with 58 per cent of pro-EU voters in England, 53 per cent in Scotland and 56 per cent in Wales saying that politicians being attacked would be worth it Britain remained in the EU.

Voters would also be happy to accept members of the public being badly injured in protests if it meant they got their way on Brexit.
Among Leave voters, 69 per cent in England, 62 per cent in Scotland and 70 per cent in Wales think civilians being hurt would be a “price worth paying” for Brexit.
While Remain voters are slightly less willing to accept violence, 57 per cent in England, 56 per cent in Scotland and 57 per cent in Wales would still rather people were badly injured than Britain left the EU.
Bizarrely, around one in 20 voters said they wanted civilians to be injured in protests regardless of their views on Brexit.

The polls were conducted as part of the Future of England survey, which is carried out annually by academics at Cardiff University and the University of Edinburgh.

Brexit has to be stopped before things get even worse. as we predicted.
Very.

Had just been reading the Guardian version.

I can understand civil disobedience, and recognise that it can result in violence. But totally deplore the invocation of violence to some political end.
 

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