Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Some headlines don't quite works as intended
From the New European.
"Ministers have been vetting an independent advisory panel on drugs for their Brexit views, says academic. "

Well, it works with racehorses and athletes o_O
I rather get the impression that the main problem is the brexit views of the ministers on drugs. No need for any advisory panel.
 
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We do not know if she was ordered by the USA government to leave. There have been several incidents in which that was alleged (not sure it is has been proved or not). It is very hard for a USA citizen in her situation to refuse to follow an order to return to the USA.
I know it is hard, but if I were the US Charge d'Affair, I would have instructed the family to leave. Part of the deal of being in the Diplomatic Service is that one is under military service conditions of obeying legitimate orders and stuff identical to the Official Secrets Act. That family would not have visas or passports to be anywhere in Europe,they would have been under Diplomatic Cover letters.
 
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The lead item on the Irish RTE news service, is a panicked or extremely frustrated response from the Ulster Farmers ,who make the observation that they will need to be dumping 0.6 million gallons( perhaps litres ) of milk ,in a Crash out scenario. There is insufficient Processing capacity in NI, none in the UK and accessing Southern Irish creameries, with the tariff barrier lose money. That is so much milk not available to the UK consumer. Then in the slightly longer period, they need to cull the herd.
 
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The Kurds are finding out what an alliance with the USA is worth
That's the polite diplomatic version - his raw twit comms to them is that he'll 'obliterate' the Turkish economy.

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over..."

 
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That's the polite diplomatic version - his raw twit comms to them is that he'll 'obliterate' the Turkish economy.

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over..."

But DT always cosies up to the least pleasant regimes. NK being the most obvious example. The worse Turkey behaves, the more he will let them get away with anything.
 

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Oh dear .

It seems a person you pinged upon that would defend you can't now do that.

Oh dear..

Brexit!
 

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Times are getting difficult for the Telegraph

Parliament and Remain MPs will be blamed more than Boris Johnson for Brexit delay, poll reveals

Then things get rather strange
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In a boost for the Prime Minister as he comes under increasing pressure to extend Article 50, the ComRes survey for the Telegraph found that only just over half of voters (56 per cent) would blame Mr Johnson if Brexit does not happen on October 31.

That compares with more than eight in ten voters (83 per cent) who said they would blame Parliament, while 70 per cent said they would hold Remain MPs responsible

This must be the most befuddled poll yet!
 
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oyster

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Times are getting difficult for the Telegraph

Parliament and Remain MPs will be blamed more than Boris Johnson for Brexit delay, poll reveals

Then things get rather strange
"

In a boost for the Prime Minister as he comes under increasing pressure to extend Article 50, the ComRes survey for the Telegraph found that only just over half of voters (56 per cent) would blame Mr Johnson if Brexit does not happen on October 31.

That compares with more than eight in ten voters (83 per cent) who said they would blame Parliament, while 70 per cent said they would hold Remain MPs responsible

This must be the most befuddled poll yet!
As presented, utter nonsense!
 

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I know it is hard, but if I were the US Charge d'Affair, I would have instructed the family to leave.


If we had wanted the opinion of an arse-hole, we each could have consulted with our own.

There is a human element to this. A family has had its heart brutally torn out by someone allegedly driving a vehicle on the wrong side of the road and into the path of their loved one, killing him in the most appalling way.

I have worked with people holding DI and these are categorically not circumstances for which it is intended or appropriate. DI fits and it will work to, “get her off” killing through alleged negligence, but that is an ugly and grotesque violation of DI. The alleged offender’s identity is well known and much about her family is known. So asking her to take part in an investigation is reasonable and the reason to refuse and claim DI is born out of a desire not to face up to the consequences of her actions.

I hope Trump intervenes and sends her back. I don’t know what the chances are, we will have to wait and see.
 
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If we had wanted the opinion of an arse-hole, we each could have consulted with our own.

There is a human element to this. A family has had its heart brutally torn out by someone allegedly driving a vehicle on the wrong side of the road and into the path of their loved one, killing him in the most appalling way.

I have worked with people holding DI and these are categorically not circumstances for which it is intended or appropriate. DI fits and it will work to, “get her off” killing through alleged negligence, but that is an ugly and grotesque violation of DI. The alleged offender’s identity is well known and much about her family is known. So asking her to take part in an investigation is reasonable and the reason to refuse and claim DI is born out of a desire not to face up to the consequences of her actions.

I hope Trump intervenes and sends her back. I don’t know what the chances are, we will have to wait and see.
You have never succeeded in bringing the dialogue much about 1 m. Was this a failure in your initial potty training?.
I am fully aware of human tragedy,but grandstanding on this will serve no purpose. There is no way,an American citizen can be forced by Mr Trump to leave the USA,once there. The greatest level of assistance that he can offer, is to direct a State Department not to oppose an extradition request should one be served on this person by the UK. But of course , her defence in any extradition hearing would be that she was immune at the time...which she was.
 
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You have never succeeded in bringing the dialogue much about 1 m. Was this a failure in your initial potty training?.
I am fully aware of human tragedy,but grandstanding on this will serve no purpose. There is no way,an American citizen can be forced by Mr Trump to leave the USA,once there. The greatest level of assistance that he can offer, is to direct a State Department not to oppose an extradition request should one be served on this person by the UK. But of course , her defence in any extradition hearing would be that she was immune at the time...which she was.
When something is plainly wrong, which this situation is, and when a process or privilege is being abused, which in this case it is, workarounds can be tried and the system can be tested, DI can and has been waived in the past. The death of this man presents circumstances in which this would be appropriate.

Your anti U.K. spite and uncaring attitude towards a family who have lost their son betrays what a venomous little leprechaun you are.
 
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You have never succeeded in bringing the dialogue much about 1 m. Was this a failure in your initial potty training?.
I am fully aware of human tragedy,but grandstanding on this will serve no purpose. There is no way,an American citizen can be forced by Mr Trump to leave the USA,once there. The greatest level of assistance that he can offer, is to direct a State Department not to oppose an extradition request should one be served on this person by the UK. But of course , her defence in any extradition hearing would be that she was immune at the time...which she was.
What about makharadze in 97? Citizens are extradited. And diplomatic immunity can be withdrawn.
 
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When something is plainly wrong, which this situation is, and when a process or privilege is being abused, which in this case it is, workarounds can be tried and the system can be tested, DI can and has been waived in the past. The death of this man presents circumstances in which this would be appropriate.

Your anti U.K. spite and uncaring attitude towards a family who have lost their son betrays what a venomous little leprechaun you are.
Be careful. That is a libel. You have no idea how much or how little I care or what level of venom I possess.
What I said was that were I the officer in charge of these people..and it is evident that the husband and even perhaps the woman herself were provided DI for a reason, I ,if I was that American serviceman I would have got them on the first plane home,and then figured things out from there. If you cannot figure that out, you must never have been in a post of responsibility.
 

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