Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

I dare say that when you go to your suppliers to negotiate you don't say. "By the way. I will take any price you give me. I won't bother trying anybody else". This seems to me to be your position on Brexit. Accept anything they are minded to offer.

it's not like that at all.
If we want a transition period, they insist on us giving them a guarantee.
If Bojo wants only to leave without the NI backstop, he only has to convince our parliament, not the EU.
Our parliament will tell him to extend A50 to the end of 2020, that will give us enough time to prepare for a no deal.

 

[Zlatan]

Voter's epic rant against 'terrorist-loving scumbag Jeremy Corbyn'

A Labour Party canvasser was told Jeremy Corbyn is a 'terrorist loving scumbag' by irate voter Phil Beale, in southwest England, who said Labour in Parliament were ignoring the people's vote.

mol.im

 

[50Hertz]

They will get away with 75 here

75 is a generous estimate when government revenue dries up post Brexit. Pushing internal money around skimming of a percentage only lasts for so long, at some point we need to start making and selling things, but making and selling is something we can’t do anymore.

 

[Fingers]

75 is a generous estimate when government revenue dries up post Brexit. Pushing internal money around skimming of a percentage only lasts for so long, at some point we need to start making and selling things, but making and selling is something we can’t do anymore.

We’re going to hell in a handcart aren’t we.

It’s just like the 70’s all over again.

Why can’t it be like the good old days? Kids have never been so stupid. Or entitled! And the police, have you seen how young they are these days?

Immigrants too.

Much better when we were kids. We had bloody respect for a start. Kids these days don’t know they are born and we made stuff. Good stuff. There was a peado on every corner but you knew where you were. You could leave your back door open. White dog poo everywhere. The chalky stuff that if you trod in it it just crumbles. Or like these days.

 

[gray198]

Huge disruption in Paris as workers protest over pension reforms which will mean they can’t retire until they are 63.

Think what would happen if all their produce was left to rot at the ports as some believe. They would not be pleased

 

[50Hertz]

We’re going to hell in a handcart aren’t we.

It’s just like the 70’s all over again.

Why can’t it be like the good old days? Kids have never been so stupid. Or entitled! And the police, have you seen how young they are these days?

Immigrants too.

Much better when we were kids. We had bloody respect for a start. Kids these days don’t know they are born and we made stuff. Good stuff. There was a peado on every corner but you knew where you were. You could leave your back door open. White dog poo everywhere. The chalky stuff that if you trod in it it just crumbles. Or like these days.

Are you OK? Do you need taking somewhere to be looked at?

 

[Danidl]

Think what would happen if all their produce was left to rot at the ports as some believe. They would not be pleased

You miss the point The majority of that produce is consumed on mainland Europe. Now losing 10% is the difference between the higher spec DS and the standard Renault. Meanwhile the Liverpool Housewife makes do with tinned beans again.

 

[daveboy]

May tried the thread of No Deal remember? and it failed,

Hilarious.....Mays threat of no deal was taken so seriously that nobody at the EU could remember her saying it, they had to be shown a video to prove that she had.

 

[oldgroaner]

We’re going to hell in a handcart aren’t we.

It’s just like the 70’s all over again.

Why can’t it be like the good old days? Kids have never been so stupid. Or entitled! And the police, have you seen how young they are these days?

Immigrants too.

Much better when we were kids. We had bloody respect for a start. Kids these days don’t know they are born and we made stuff. Good stuff. There was a peado on every corner but you knew where you were. You could leave your back door open. White dog poo everywhere. The chalky stuff that if you trod in it it just crumbles. Or like these days.

Desperate stuff, so you have finally given up on brexit

 

[Zlatan]

Are you OK? Do you need taking somewhere to be looked at?

Hull.

 

[oldgroaner]

Hilarious.....Mays threat of no deal was taken so seriously that nobody at the EU could remember her saying it, they had to be shown a video to prove that she had.

Big impact!
Will it sound better when Boris mumbles it looking like Wurzel Gummidge in a blond wig on a windy day?

 

[daveboy]

Big impact!
Will it sound better when Boris mumbles it looking like Wurzel Gummidge in a blond wig on a windy day?

It couldn't sound any worse than "remainer" May saying it.

 

[gray198]

You miss the point The majority of that produce is consumed on mainland Europe. Now losing 10% is the difference between the higher spec DS and the standard Renault. Meanwhile the Liverpool Housewife makes do with tinned beans again.

So we buy it elsewhere and get some fields back in action for what we can grow. Lots of ground stood empty

 

[oldgroaner]

Think what would happen if all their produce was left to rot at the ports as some believe. They would not be pleased

And it would simply replicate the situation on this side of the channel for ours.
So what is your point?

Again, we need them more than they need us, not just for a few weeks
but Permanently

 

[oldgroaner]

So we buy it elsewhere and get some fields back in action for what we can grow. Lots of ground stood empty

Oh Dear, not that old red herring again! do a little research and you will find it simply isn't practical without introducing rationing.
Some of us oldies lived with that, I recommend you look up what we actually lived on.
Brexit won't seem like a good idea if that is the price.

 

[oldgroaner]

It couldn't sound any worse than "remainer" May saying it.

So you are agreeing it's a none starter.
Barnier would have to be as stupid as Boris to fall for that.

 

[Danidl]

So we buy it elsewhere and get some fields back in action for what we can grow. Lots of ground stood empty

Yes.. but those goods from elsewhere will be rotting on your ports,and then homegrown?.
but surprisingly it takes a season for things to grow. So there are a lot of hungry people waiting for the green shoots.
These discussions are more akin to whackamole. Everytime an obvious problem is raised ,you or your coterie suggest a potentially plausible ,but impractical solution.. remember it was not supposed to be like this. The advantage of the EU was that farmers in the south of Spain, could make tonnes of cheap lettuce and tomatoes by planting seeds in unheated tunnels ,feed them water and watch them grow. You CANNOT do that in the UK, yet,you need to burn fossil fuels to heat the green houses, and you still have a shorter growing season...And forced tomatoes taste and have the consistency of turnips

Now you can say, well lets just grow turnips and potatoes, and oats ,they grow unaided in British soil,and eventually you get the classical Scottish diet ,and Scottish heart disease rates. As I said it was not supposed to be like that.

 

[gray198]

Yes.. but those goods from elsewhere will be rotting on your ports,and then homegrown?.
but surprisingly it takes a season for things to grow. So there are a lot of hungry people waiting for the green shoots.
These discussions are more akin to whackamole. Everytime an obvious problem is raised ,you or your coterie suggest a potentially plausible ,but impractical solution.. remember it was not supposed to be like this. The advantage of the EU was that farmers in the south of Spain, could make tonnes of cheap lettuce and tomatoes by planting seeds in unheated tunnels ,feed them water and watch them grow. You CANNOT do that in the UK, yet,you need to burn fossil fuels to heat the green houses, and you still have a shorter growing season...And forced tomatoes taste and have the consistency of turnips

Now you can say, well lets just grow turnips and potatoes, and oats ,they grow unaided in British soil,and eventually you get the classical Scottish diet ,and Scottish heart disease rates. As I said it was not supposed to be like that.

You are a defeatist and one of the people who think we cannot possibly live without the EU. Yes there will be problems and possibly shortages for a while but we will survive. Why will goods be rotting on the ports??

 

[oldgroaner]

Something about "Thin Edges" and "Wedges" springs to mind
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/13/second-referendum-could-provide-us-route-purgatory/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

Second referendum could provide us with a route out of purgatory

Before long Boris will be campaigning for one!

 

[Wicky]