Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Boris 'vows to IGNORE MPs' efforts to block No Deal'

Boris Johnson could steamroller any attempts by Remain-backing MPs to block a No Deal divorce, his allies claimed today, as a new poll suggested a majority of British voters still back Brexit.

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Reality is however, what would chart look like when leavers realise only option is "no deal". Will they go to the "no deal" or "remain" segments.???
Statistics can nearly always say what writer wants saying...

the survey by YouGov is more subtle than that chart.
If it comes to a 3 way vote: no deal, softer brexit than May's deal or remain, remain will win.
If it's a two way vote: no deal or remain, remain would still win. This is because the middle group of voters (May's deal or softer brexit than May's) would prefer remain to no deal.

*softer brexit: like JC's deal.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/everything-you-think-you-know-about-leavers-and-remainers-wrong

 

[gray198]

I made no comment about that. The unspeakable cruelty is the conditions on those offshore detention camps and the fact of their illegal imprisonment. The legal and humane options are either to accept them or promptly transport them to their origins, Vietnam in many cases. Punishing by imprisonment without charge or conviction is simply very wrong and more illegal than the attempted migration.
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That I do not know, but if it did, it was equally wrong. That type of relativism does you and anyone else who promotes it no credit.

just points out that all the biased hate aimed at trump is also not relevant

 

[Fingers]

just points out that all the biased hate aimed at trump is also not relevant

Except as usual he's lying.

 

[Woosh]

there may be a ring of truth somewhere in this tweet from JHB:

"Any Tory leadership candidate who puts the Union first has absolutely no intention of delivering Brexit. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1143893495956037632

 

[jonathan.agnew]

They are not concentration camps, they don't even fit the definition. They are centres where people await free transport back to their homes. I am sure anyone who had been held in a concentration camp would not recognise what you are saying. You insult the memories of concentration camp victims and trivialise their suffering in a most shameful way. All for your own agenda.

The Australian model has worked. Many more people no longer face a perilous sea crossing, no longer give money to people smuggles or become slaves to gang-masters in once inside Australia. Numbers are way down, because they know it's a waste of money and not worth the risks trying to get in. Instead, they stay in their native country, or some come to the UK to grow cannabis for one of our gang-masters, to whom they are enslaved.

Although initially harsh, the Australian model does prevent greater suffering in the longer term.

There isnt an easy answer, but to bring Confucius' golden rule into it, you have to ask yourself how you'd want to be treated if you were a rohingya Muslim with three kids who's wife had just been murdered? Would you really stay in squalor in Bangladesh, or would you make your way to Australia?

 

[gray198]

Except as usual he's lying.

he's a politician and his lips moved??

 

[Danidl]

They are not concentration camps, they don't even fit the definition. They are centres where people await free transport back to their homes. I am sure anyone who had been held in a concentration camp would not recognise what you are saying. You insult the memories of concentration camp victims and trivialise their suffering in a most shameful way. All for your own agenda.

The Australian model has worked. Many more people no longer face a perilous sea crossing, no longer give money to people smuggles or become slaves to gang-masters in once inside Australia. Numbers are way down, because they know it's a waste of money and not worth the risks trying to get in. Instead, they stay in their native country, or some come to the UK to grow cannabis for one of our gang-masters, to whom they are enslaved.

Although initially harsh, the Australian model does prevent greater suffering in the longer term.

I cannot agree. Even the Prison of War camps were inspected by external bodies... The international red cross. I have no further agenda than disgust at the way these children are being treated.

 

[Fingers]

he's a politician and his lips moved??

His lies are particularly grotesque. His base just simply believe them though. Without thinking.

He just says the word Obama, Hilary, Liberal or Fake and it's sucked up like a Dyson.

Fox news repeats them then the next lie comes out and that first lie is forgotten. He's up to over 10 000 now. Lie after lie.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

His lies are particularly grotesque. His base just simply believe them though. Without thinking.

He just says the word Obama, Hilary, Liberal or Fake and it's sucked up like a Dyson.

Fox news repeats them then the next lie comes out and that first lie is forgotten. He's up to over 10 000 now. Lie after lie.

Fascinating how you recognise it in trump but sucked it up from the leave campaign.

 

[Wicky]

They are not concentration camps, they don't even fit the definition

Interment camps more palatable to you..

Trump won't be alive to apologise nor foot the bill.

"In 1988, President Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act to compensate more than 100,000 people of Japanese descent who were incarcerated in internment camps during World War II. The legislation offered a formal apology and paid out $20,000 in compensation to each surviving victim"

And when it shamefully happened here with Germans and Italians during WW2 (mostly confined to internment camps on Isle of Man or deported to Canada ) An outcry in Parliament led to the first releases of internees in August 1940. By February 1941 more than 10,000 had been freed, and by the following summer, only 5,000 were left in internment camps. Many of those released from internment subsequently contributed to the war effort on the Home Front or served in the armed forces.

 

[Fingers]

Fascinating how you recognise it in trump but sucked it up from the leave campaign.

Stay out of this you disgusting human being.

@Zlatan has it right about you. You should be banned from here.

 

[oldgroaner]

I get a similar situation at a local BP petrol station that I still use for the car wash. Each day a number of police cars and vans gather there at the same time to refuel, meet up and snack in the M & S food shop it has. There's car parking space there and they seem to make it into quite a long break.
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This is know as "Happy Hour" among the local Champions of Free enterprise.

 

[oldgroaner]

Little wonder there is so much nastiness and aggression in society when comments like this are made and amazingly get "likes".
Its hardly trying to be civil or restrained, is it?
Seems to me there are more folk commenting against "feckless shite that blame immigrants" than tbere are "feckless shite blaming immigrants" in first place. Stand up Tom/JA. Take a bow.
They are the ones causing the aggression.

I have yet to meet anyone blaming immigrants for everything and certainly not on here.
For what its worth IMO JA's post deserves a ban, and since JA/Tom made it should be for good.

Will there be a collection at the door on the way out?

 

[oldgroaner]

what do you suggest? Just let everyone in

purely as a matter of interest, how do you suppose we all came to be here in the first place?
Did we spring up out of the ground at the end of the last ice age?

 

[Fingers]

 

[oldgroaner]

They are not concentration camps, they don't even fit the definition. They are centres where people await free transport back to their homes. I am sure anyone who had been held in a concentration camp would not recognise what you are saying. You insult the memories of concentration camp victims and trivialise their suffering in a most shameful way. All for your own agenda.

The Australian model has worked. Many more people no longer face a perilous sea crossing, no longer give money to people smuggles or become slaves to gang-masters in once inside Australia. Numbers are way down, because they know it's a waste of money and not worth the risks trying to get in. Instead, they stay in their native country, or some come to the UK to grow cannabis for one of our gang-masters, to whom they are enslaved.

Although initially harsh, the Australian model does prevent greater suffering in the longer term.

I'm sure the children among them fully appreciate the great favour shown to them

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Stay out of this you disgusting human being.

@Zlatan has it right about you. You should be banned from here.

a trolled troll!

 

[oldgroaner]

The Three Stooges Tribute act are on a roll today, I'm feeling neglected is it something I haven't said?
Come on chaps, make something up as usual
"Written more words than War and peace isn't really an insult is it?"

 

[oldgroaner]

a trolled troll!

Well that was a pretty original post from fingers as it didn't use the words lie, lies or liar once.

 

[oldgroaner]

View attachment 31037

Let me see If I have understood the moral of this graphic
If you add 400 calories of oil to 400 calories of chicken at some point it turns into 400 calories of oil.
Then on the bottom row oil, defined as 400 calories oil (from the above process perhaps)
causes Americans to fall out of a helicopter preceded by a flag into stomach acid.

I think you have your second BAFTA award sown up there...