JRM and BJ continue to vote aganst the PM because doing otherwise signifies they have accepted defeat.
No deal has very limited support from MPs.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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No deal has very limited support from MPs.
You must know the real power struggle is between may and the majority in hoc that is for a very soft brexit. For taking control of the brexit agenda. And im sure you realise may has lost it. Through a series of tactical blunders going right back to the unnecesary election and loss of her majority. The only possible reasons for throwing in extras in this drama like jrm and boris, who have frankly become completely irrelevant,is because you find the truth too hard to accept, or because you have have,on this occasion, a profound lack of judgement. For your sake i hope its the former.
Apparently in there is a certain Mr Idi Amin, of Uganda, who has signed the petition to revoke Article 50 over 780 times with different email addresses?!
btw, interesting developments from Walesonline https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/we-can-bring-country-its-16013485.amp?__twitter_impression=true
No,it’s already obvious that the EU will not allow no deal to happen,it’s obvious they are in charge,not May.
The delay until the 12 th should be just enough time to give May a deal that is so soft that you won’t notice the difference with Remain. May will take it because all she wants is to stay in power and say she took us out of the EU,the ERG will smell a rat but there are only 30 of the old farts,the rest of parliament will love it.
KudosDave
The point you are missing Woosh is fact that "no deal" is the default result from making no decisions. Since our MPs have collectively been incapable of making an actual decision it seems almost inevitable no deal will bw the outcome. Its the only result which doesnt need a decision, favour or selection to achieve. To me that makes our MPs infinitely capable of achieving it. And, dont forget, there are a significant number in the house wanting no deal.
There needs to be serious change to avoid no deal, even if MPs have promised to avoid it. The decision is out of their hands without a majority supporting a viable alternative and quickly.
If no deal is May’s favoured outcome then why did she accept an extension to April 12.....it’s the only branch that Leavers can cling to but the twig has already floated down the river.
KudosDave
May's deal can not be changed, one way or another. Softer, or harder. If her deal fails next week, there will still not be a majority to make an alternative choice.
I csnt see what anyone can do to prevent no deal on 12th if her deal fails, which it will.
The more options offered, the less chance of deciding one.
We are heading for no deal.
JC and the rest of them are just talking with no power to affect a thing.
May will take us out on 12th. She has no choice.
May says "the vote on her deal may not take place next week if there is not sufficient support" (bbc news). I guess thats her bizarre inverted passive agressive way of admitting defeat. I think there will be a series of alternative votes,determined by hoc as it takes control. Hopefully en route to something like a customs union. But who knows.
Because Bercow stopped her failing a third time. She will be able to say she tried 3 times, she will blame MPs.
Barnier knows whats happening. Last thing to die is hope. Its no deal. We havent time for anything else for 12th.
Come on, they have had over 2 yeats to make a decision and not managed it. EU have given them another 2 weeks... Its irrelevant. WTO next month.
And, she is pushing final vote to last minute, so if it fails.... We get no deal.
Its still 50/50."Her deal or no deal. I think no deal.
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We havent time to sort any other arrangements. EU have said if deal fails we are out on 12th....That means no deal.
Come on, we all know that either you are 12 years old or Donald Trump posting under a false identity (the real Donald Trump doesn't do pseudonyms, he doesn't like words he doesn't understand)...
Tusk said "untill 12 april, anything is possible, a longer delay, revoking article 50" - see laura kuensburg blog bbc news. You are im afraid engaging in wishful thinking. None of the key decisionmakers have any appetite for,or will allow, a hard brexit. Regardless of the law.
That petition is revealing some interesting numbers,centre of Cambridge has 19,000 votes,that’s 16% of the electorate,a Labour MP.....that may strengthen Corbyns confidence of properly going for a second referendum.
KudosDave
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How do they stop it?
Lets assume either May's deal fails or they dont hold a 3rd vote.
Tell me a viable arrangement for 12th. It must need no negotiating, no meetings with EU..
Possibilities ref2. No chance.
Withdraw art 50..Tories will never support that. They know full well they lose next election, plus May has ruled it out.
The Norway plus plus or whatever is 2 years too late.
Whats left? Its make your mind up time. Her deal or no deal.
The government ruling out no deal is like a kid at school ruling out a detention. Its not our decision. Its the EU's and they have no choice.
The fat lady is singing. Its the end. We are getting no deal.
Really, really interesting. Not.
Later report:
Around 100 truckers had been gearing up to cause havoc on the M4 in protest at the potential delay to Brexit .
The 'Great British road block south Wales' was part of planned blockades across the UK in response to what organisers were calling a "Brexit betrayal".
But the reality was quite different from the intention with very few problems reported on the roads and some events failing to materialise at all.
The Welsh pro-Brexiteers were due to met at Magor services at 6pm, before taking to the motorway with the aim of causing delays around the Prince of Wales Bridge.
They planned to drive slowly up the carriageway to create a rolling road block.
But there were just a handful of vehicles at Magor when a Wales Online photographer attended.
I want to believe that Kudosdaves scenario will play out, but regrettably your analysis is more plausible.
Truckers voting for Brexit is really in the Turkeys and Christmas category
He couldnt organise that in 2 years let alone 2 weeks. He, s running off, away. He cant stand the heat. He wants out.