Brexit, for once some facts.

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I, d bet Tories sponsored that poll. Get Labour to call for a GE whilst led by Abbott and Costello...
Come on be honest, would anybody on here actually want Corbyn in power. He, s so obviously incapable of coping with it. He struggles in any interviews, debates or parliamentary sessions. He cant deliver any speech without continually refering to notes and even then gets things wrong.
No, they've been doing that poll every month for a long time.
Labour and conservatives were neck and neck last month. TM's scale of defeat may have influenced voters.

This is the chart up to the new year:




https://www.opinium.co.uk/our-thinking/election-polling-centre/
 
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I’m surprised it’s not higher.

I think it was around that in 2015. You know what happened next...
remain was up to 15-16 points ahead when David Cameron called the referendum. However, a couple of days before the referendum, John Curtice was on TV saying it was too close to call.
The result confirmed his status as political polling guru.
Polls are generally correct. The momentum was with leave shortly after the campaign started.
 
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remain was up to 15-16 points ahead when David Cameron called the referendum. However, a couple of days before the referendum, John Curtice was on TV saying it was too close to call.
The result confirmed his status as political polling guru.
Polls are generally correct. The momentum was with leave shortly after the campaign started.
it depends how they do the polls. I think they can be deliberately skewed to make people believe that's the way to vote. Has anyone on here ever been invited to vote in one??
 

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it depends how they do the polls. I think they can be deliberately skewed to make people believe that's the way to vote. Has anyone on here ever been invited to vote in one??
How do they get in touch with people these days? Do they still phone? We do not have a landline (well, we do, but it is only there to permit broadband).

Anyway, the answer is that I have never been contacted by anyone I believed to be a polling organisation.
 
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it depends how they do the polls. I think they can be deliberately skewed to make people believe that's the way to vote. Has anyone on here ever been invited to vote in one??
the way they set up the dataset, profiles, number of respondents, the responses, the confidence margin etc are all explained in the PDF link that I supplied.
It's accurate to within the indicated margin. Poll of polls as done by John Curtice has smaller risk margin, thus more accurate.
What is important is the trending.

 
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remain was up to 15-16 points ahead when David Cameron called the referendum. However, a couple of days before the referendum, John Curtice was on TV saying it was too close to call.
The result confirmed his status as political polling guru.
Polls are generally correct. The momentum was with leave shortly after the campaign started.
And had quite a bit to do with the last minute campaign by Cambridge Analytica adverts to suckers.
 

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Comedy in the Daily Mail
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Enter Mogg the peacebroker: Help me to save Theresa May and Brexit, says hardliner in stunning about turn as No10 braces for snap poll
Jacob Rees-Mogg emerged last night as Theresa May's best hope to avert a snap General Election or her forced departure from Downing Street by the spring. It comes as the same allies are frantically selecting policies to include in a 'short, sharp' manifesto in the event that Mrs May is forced to call a snap Election. But in a sign that the intensity of opposition could be lessening, Mr Rees-Mogg presents himself as a peacebroker committed to making Mrs May's deal acceptable to her party.

Look out Gove, he's trying to "outvermin" you!

Shades of Groucho
"You don't like my principles?
Well, I have others."
 
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I’m surprised it’s not higher.

I think it was around that in 2015. You know what happened next...
Yeah we do. I lost £100 betting the wrong way. And OG won betting the right way. Yet we both voted opposite to how be bet. Heart and mind stuff I guess.
 

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A reassuring message from Liam Fox in the Telegraph
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MPs plotting to thwart Brexit risk unleashing a 'political tsunami', Liam Fox warns

Thus spake the Worlds most accurate Clairvoyant
With his luck we could get our ankles wet!
Be careful. Brexit does need to be taken out ofTM’s hands, but that needs doing with sensitivity towards leave voters. If Brexit is thwarted with a blunt instrument, many millions who voted for, and still feel passionate about it will be seething with anger. They may not all take to the streets, but a percentage will. That is always dangerous as it can draw in others who don’t even care about Brexit, but just want civil unrest and looting. We have seen this happening before in the 1980s.

Bluntly thwarting Brexit will also leave a massive political hole due to millions feeling snubbed, double crossed and treated with contempt. That hole, made up of disgruntled Labour and Tory voters could be filled with something far worse than today’s situation.

We are in treacherous waters and need to navigate careful path.
 

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mostly by preselected panels then phones or emails.
Could well be possible the reason the polls got it so wrong is that Leave 'found' 3m or so voters that they targeted that had never ever voted before in anything. The kind of people pollsters might have struggled to find/contact themselves.

Plus - it was fashionable to say you were on the Remain side - saying you were for 'Leave' opened you up to being accused of racism and all the rest - so leave voters I think tended to stay 'shtum' about their intentions.

Same thing happened for Trump in the US - people who were for him kept it to themselves.

If there is another ref there's a good chance this time will be an even bigger vote for leave. Then what? Best out of 5?
 
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