I thought that but I think it will be no deal now.. Cant see May convincing enough now. Surprises me remainers havent rallied behind Mays deal... Its more stay than leave...
Brexit, for once some facts.
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So you agree there still wouldn't be deal with your ideas not accepted, so my comments were not narrow minded, just stating the inevitable. You are the one wearing the blinkers, always refusing to recognise the facts of the situation. The EU doesn't have to accept anything, they have always held all the cards in the position of strength.
This is all pointless though since we won't be leaving without a deal. The odds are roughly 70% on May's deal being accepted, 30% on either delaying article 50 or holding a new referendum, with May's Deal or Remain on the paper.
The ERG and other ardent leavers are terrified of a new referendum, and that is why they are likely to sign up to May's deal little changed from the present.
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Hero worship is very touching, but the majority of us outgrow it in our 20s
Yep, but I, m still young at heart,not sure PH is my hero, perhaps Pogba or Rashford at moment.
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Not sure EU do hold all the cards. I think they are fighting for their very survival. If UK comes out, does well and economy grows how long before France (and others) want same.
We have convinced ourselves we dont hold any aces listening to project fear and its echo on here. German economy, inspite of all your saying otherwise, needs a good deal probably more so than us.
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That is completely delusional. The EU is a world trading power which sets rules and it commands respect worldwide from countries who value it above almost all other markets.
To say Germany needs a deal more than us is beyond delusional into lunatic. With total removal of trade between us and the EU they lose 7% of their exports which we know they can afford, while we lose 50% which would cripple us.
These are facts, not silly mutterings about project fear.
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in principle, i can see where you're coming from: we all - or at least those of us natives who aren't cheats - prefer to live in some sort of quid pro quo reality of give and take
given that (and that morality is loosely about treating others as one wants to be treated): can you imagine how outraged you'd feel as a spaniard reading your post? in a country (spain) overrun by british retirees who do sod all other than hanging pout in irish theme pubs and sneering; or uk croiminals hdiing out in the costa del sol.
this is, with respect, the problem with levers attitude - and that of teh uk over th eyears in its relationship with the eu: all it ever wants to do is take and have everything on its one sided terms. i would entirely understand if the eu is very glad to see the back of us. we are like some nasty narcisistic infant in desperate need of a spanking
https://www.ft.com/content/c06b1762-761d-11e8-b326-75a27d27ea5f
Financial times has got it all wrong then flecc.
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Yeah. My problem with that is the hate and contempt you have for our citizens. It's reverse racism.
I can't be bothered to go into anymore.
It saddens me how down trodden and hateful some leavers are though.
my problem with that is that you play the racism card when you are unable to argue your point.
No, they haven't got the known part wrong, I've already quoted the financial side of that when I quoted the 7% loss of all exports that Germany would suffer. Quoting numbers of cars is just silly and meaningless, they are only a part of Germany's exporting. It's only the overall financial effect that matters and for their 7% loss, we suffer 50% which you've ignored once again.
I haven't taken into account what the FT says about what Trump may do since that is just supposition.
The last part is true of course, that the interests of the EU and UK are more aligned now. It's why we should remain.
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No, I have not ignored it at all. I, m saying both sides stand to lose. The German car industry would be far harder hit than any 7%. I dont think you read the report.
https://www.thelocal.de/20181011/horror-scenario-how-brexit-could-affect-germany
You dont need to register with FT for this one. Saying similar.
The EU are putting political agendas before economic prosperity if its members. Thats plain for all to see. Post "no deal" some if those 27 countries would have to act unilaterally. Yes, the decisionto force a no deal is made by 27 nembers but the majority of any damage (85%) would be felt by only 5..And out of those 5 Germany would absorb 40% of that cost,yet would remain the EU, s largest contributor.
Its inevitable some of those countries would strike deals with UK to avoid hardship bot felt by other EU menbers. This has bren crux of Hargreaves argument since day one.
FT are sinply pointing out other difficulties VAG are facing. (diesel scandal has affected sales in USA and led to massive costs not felt in EU, the point the raise is after posting profit warnings already could they cope with no deal and then Trunp's trade war.
Our negotiations should look at all this. They do not have such a goid hand as assumed and its all speculation. Every bit of it. Nobody really knows what will happen.
Comment from head of McLaren cars about no deal with regards our car industry..
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Germany's loss of their worldwide exports will be 7% if they lose the proportion going to the UK, fact. It's easily checked.
That silly article was only about cars, Germany's worldwide exports cover a vast range of products.
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It's not a card when it's right.
You portraying English abroad as criminals or drunks drinking in Irish theme pubs is a tired, lazy stereotype and if you turned it round and used the same pastiche towards another country then you might get my drift.
There is no point to argue. Just try not to do it again.
There's a good chap. It makes you come across as a little bit thick and I'm sure you're not.
It's silly cos it's true!!!
lol. Floundering Flecc can give facts but can't take them.
We could decimate the German car industry. In fact more than decimate if you look at the numbers.
They would of course suffer, but they can take it as they proved in the 2008 recession when they lost 8% of all their exports. That is why Angela Merkel was able to confidently say in 2016 that Germany could cope with the total loss of their 7% UK business.
You see I deal with all the facts, not cherry picking samples that suit.
Coming now to possibilities, Germany could of course also take back the car production they have here that benefits the UK, Mini, Rolls Royce, Bentley. In fact BMW are already investigating moving Mini production to The Netherlands and are shutting down production at Oxford for a month from March 29th due to Brexit.
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Anything can happen for sure.
I thought they were shutting down to refit with electric car making equipment.
There are s of changes ahead in the car business. Petrol and diesel cars are last century technology. Hopefully we can get a slice of the electric pie.
You need new material. This arrogant type of response is, like you,completely unconvincing.
Hopefully is hardly a a pragmatic way to run a country is it?
Why don't you Brexit people grow up?