Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

I see. It’s an opinion then.

Have you also noted that on every occasion the EU does a major deal it changes the deal at the 11th hour?

As it were.

Everything is an opinion, some more informed than others. No-one knows what will happen tomorrow, but it is my informed opinion opinion ,based on past experience that the sun will appear to rise in the East and travel across the sky. Someday, should i live long enough, that opinion will prove false.
Yes I am aware that deals and quotas are often the result of last minute bargaining. But this is not like that. That trading has already happened. It has been agreed by 27 nations. .. actually 28 as your head of government agreed to it. Even if they wanted to,and I believe, they don't ,the prestige of the EU would prevent them backing down. .. again an opinion. Their credibility would be shot. There was an 11th hour, It is past.
Ask yourself this simple question. What new information will arise in the next fortnight to change that. Do you not think that the possibility of a crashout was considered.? It would be the lesser of two evils as far as the EU is concerned. There are people in Brussels and Luxembourg who can read the English language,they watch BBC on satellite,they get newspapers.
Then extrapolate to a month, two months . Then its over.....
The game is totally and fully in the hands of the UK.

 

[oyster]

Two leaders whose new year messages have been placed together on the Guardian's front page. Compare their negotiating positions...

 

[oldgroaner]

That was 50 years ago.

Different world now. Can't let the past stop one shaping a better future.

Never forget of course and take lessons but forging a brighter future means bold decisions.

Strong and stable!

Cant let the past stop one shaping a better future?
Who is going to do that for you?
The same liars, cheats buffoons and incompetent clowns who got us into this mess?
Never forget of course and take lessons but forging a brighter future means bold decisions.
And you are expecting these same clowns to pull off this miracle?
Strong and stable!

No, actually, to believe that a brighter future will be the result of Brexit requires one to believe in fairy tales.

 

[oldgroaner]

Another ray of sunshine!

Cheer up mate. It will be alright. Maybe even better.

Now you are being silly

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes indeedy..!


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They watch this avidly in the Kremlin!

 

[Zlatan]

https://mol.im/a/6543235

Cant miss this then. Comments more inreresting than article,approaching 2000 individual ones in a few hours. ... EU is less popular than 2 years ago...Except on here perhaps..
He, s only following EU guidelines I suppose... Afterall they have just past environmental guidelines to lower air travel... He signed them.
BTW, happy new year everybody... Especially you OG... You need cheering up...
Glad you are back OG, getting in and out Co op must have been a nightmare recently..

 

[Fingers]

https://mol.im/a/6543235

Cant miss this then. Comments more inreresting than article. Over 2000 individual ones... EU is less popular than 2 years ago...Except on here perhaps..

Happy New Year Zlats.

And happy new year to One and all on here.

It’s goinb to be a great year!

 

[flecc]

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What a confused person you are!

I’d have free movement of people but the difference would be that you can’t claim benefits the minute you get off the plane.

That's exactly what we already have! Benefits are not immediately payable, there's months of delay before they are.

EU citizens would be able to work here no problem but the employer would need a work visa.

That restriction is not freedom of movement and the EU wouldn't accept it. It's also a restriction of trade which is illegal in the EU.

I’d make it straightforward enough but the employer would have to pay a skills tax which would be ploughed back into training and education for UK students and jobseekers.

Again the EU would never accept this, it's the human equivalent of unfair subsidies which are illegal under EU law.

You must think the EU negotiators very dumb if you believe they'd fall for any of this bias.
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[Zlatan]

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What a confused person you are!



That's exactly what we already have! Benefits are not immediately payable, there's months of delay before they are.



That restriction is not freedom of movement and the EU wouldn't accept it. It's also a restriction of trade which is illegal in the EU.



Again the EU would never accept this, it's the human equivalent of unfair subsidies which are illegal under EU law.

You must think the EU negotiators very dumb if you believe they'd fall for any of this bias.
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Wonder how many remainers would take Hargreaves up on his wager.. He offered his 3 billion up saying in event of no deal EU would capitulate to keep accesss to our consumers..
Would you bet against Hargreaves Flecc...?

 

[flecc]

Wonder how many remainers would take Hargreaves up on his wager.. He offered his 3 billion up saying in event of no deal EU would capitulate to keep accesss to our consumers..
Would you bet against Hargreaves Flecc...?

Yes.
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[Zlatan]

Yes.
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Touche.. 3 billion would be a bit steep for rest of us...

 

[Zlatan]

https://mol.im/a/6544299
Totally OT but a nice change for Daily Mail putting over a better image of UK...

 

[flecc]

Touche.. 3 billion would be a bit steep for rest of us...

Hargreaves was bluffing, he knows as well as anyone that the trade continues after No Deal, simply on WTO terms. Affecting both sides, the only difference will be a longer term decline as companies move operations into mainland Europe and UK buying patterns change.

The essence with Hargreaves, as with all in financial dealing who back Brexit, is that they profit from chaos. Brexit with No Deal will bring chaos aplenty so of course that's what they want. Conversely the last thing they want is a smooth well ordered deal, limiting opportunities.
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[russ18uk]

Wonder how many remainers would take Hargreaves up on his wager.. He offered his 3 billion up saying in event of no deal EU would capitulate to keep accesss to our consumers..
Would you bet against Hargreaves Flecc...?

This would be assuming leaving the EU with[out] any deal would mean people would stop buying German cars, tools, Spanish bananas... just like with Trump's Chinese tariffs, the only people that will get hit are the consumers, especially the poor. Many of whom voted out. Incredible. My brother argued the same crap. I don't see him changing his Seat for a Tuk-Tuk though!

 

[Zlatan]

This would be assuming leaving the EU with[out] any deal would mean people would stop buying German cars, tools, Spanish bananas... just like with Trump's Chinese tariffs, the only people that will get hit are the consumers, especially the poor. Many of whom voted out. Incredible. My brother argued the same crap. I don't see him changing his Seat for a Tuk-Tuk though!

No, he, ll want his Audi... That`s exactly why Germany, France, Italy and to a lesser extent Spain will want unilateral deals post no deal. Ofcourse a show of unity must be shown at this stage but if we do end up no deal I, d tend to listen to Hargreaves sonewhat more than any poster on here. Your brother is not talking crap, perhaps his brother is.

 

[russ18uk]

No, he, ll want his Audi... That`s exactly why Germany, France, Italy and to a lesser extent Spain will want unilateral deals post no deal. Ofcourse a show of unity must be shown at this stage but if we do end up no deal I, d tend to listen to Hargreaves sonewhat more than any poster on here. Your brother is not talking crap, perhaps his brother is.

He'll get his Audi, but it won't be brand new or he'll pay more for it.

Hargreaves is one of the few "experts" that seems to align with Brexit logic though, so I'm not surprised you would side with them, as they feed your own thoughts.

No doubt we will get deals post-Brexit, the issue is will the UK grow back its legs once we chop them off in March?

 

[Woosh]

This would be assuming leaving the EU with[out] any deal would mean people would stop buying German cars, tools, Spanish bananas... just like with Trump's Chinese tariffs, the only people that will get hit are the consumers, especially the poor. Many of whom voted out. Incredible. My brother argued the same crap. I don't see him changing his Seat for a Tuk-Tuk though!

Trump taxes Chinese imports to help local steel workers, JRM wants the opposite, open the UK to cheap imports, zero duty to any country who wants to sell to us, his reasoning is that would improve the poor's living cost.
As a matter of fact, if we don't charge duty, we'll wipe out our local producers.

 

[Zlatan]

He'll get his Audi, but it won't be brand new or he'll pay more for it.

Hargreaves is one of the few "experts" that seems to align with Brexit logic though, so I'm not surprised you would side with them, as they feed your own thoughts.

No doubt we will get deals post-Brexit, the issue is will the UK grow back its legs once we chop them off in March?

Fair point. We all reference people who agree with our opinions. Not many people would choose to refer to folk who do not,it would be quite pointless.
Hargreaves has built up largest financial company in UK, a company that handles billions and billions making massive investments continually. Personally tend to give them more credence than the Gary Linekers etc etc continually putting Brexit down.
I, ve been resorting to Peter Hargreaves opinions for about 25 years now.amazing how many economists we now have telling such as Harggreaves he is wrong.

https://www.investmentweek.co.uk/investment-week/news/3037194/peter-hargreaves-on-brexit-the-best-deal-is-no-deal

 

[Woosh]

No doubt we will get deals post-Brexit,

I would't think we'll get no deal brexit.
There will be more support for TM's deal at the second round of vote before end of January.

 

[Fingers]

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What a confused person you are!



That's exactly what we already have! Benefits are not immediately payable, there's months of delay before they are.



That restriction is not freedom of movement and the EU wouldn't accept it. It's also a restriction of trade which is illegal in the EU.



Again the EU would never accept this, it's the human equivalent of unfair subsidies which are illegal under EU law.

You must think the EU negotiators very dumb if you believe they'd fall for any of this bias.
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lol!

You are so brainwashed.

We can do what we want once we leave the cabal.

And if the EU don't agree with my dumb but sensible and reasonable ideas I'd walk. Seriously dude. You are so narrow minded.