Defence policy? we can't stop an invasion of people riding on Rubber Ducks!
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Best joke of the year and on the last day too!
This is very logical and makes a lot of sense to me, however the leave side won last time by mainly appealing to peoples emotion and not to logic. They reasoned very early on, before the campaign began that they would not win many votes by talking about the financial side of things. Instead they concentrated on immigration and abstract things like Sovereignty things that people feel rather than think logically about.
They would likely do the same thing again, plus they would play the establishment stitch up card once again, I think the campaign would become very bitter and nasty. The far right would almost certainly try and organise street protests. I think it would be a huge risk to opt for another referendum with all that could entail.
I really don't like May, I don't like her deal, but I can't see another option that does not lead to an awful lot of trouble. Do I wish we never had this vote, of course I do, but we had it and 52% of people who voted, chose leave. May can say her deal gives leavers quite a lot of what they were hoping to get while at the same time avoiding a hard Brexit.
I suspect if she can get one or two minor concessions from the EU, she might garner enough votes to get it passed, perhaps on a second attempt. If she can't get it through then what other options are there, bearing in mind we leave on WTO terms the end of March.
She will get all the "clarifications " she wants from the EU, no problem there, those eu diplomates are very smooth. What she will not get is any substantial concession.
The truth is that the Deal is the Deal and is the only game in town.
Like you I think the deal will still get through somehow, but if not another referendum would still come down to numbers, so for the reasons given I'm certain of a reversal in a new one.
I don't agree that there would be serious trouble, the great majority of the public are fed up with the whole brexit issue and wish it would go away. So outside of the tiny minority who feel strongly like us in this thread, most don't care enough to kick up any fuss.
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I wouldn’t be too bothered but I can assure you there would be a huge uproar.
It would linger for decades.
But only hot air, no actual trouble. It would die down quite quickly since, as said, the great majority are sick of the whole brexit subject and couldn't care less any more.
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I can assure you the Deal as it stands has no hope and bob hope of progressing, i know for a fact of 10 very smooth diplomats (as you put it) that will kill it stone dead and consequently the present government if needs be.
Imo you will find the cabal in Brussels will back down at the eleventh hour and delete the Backstop.
But if not you have only yourselves to blame
I just came back after a New Year reveillon drink with a few old friends in Paris. We talked for a few minutes about brexit. The French is just as fed up with the EU as us in the UK, it's L'Europe du fric jusqu'à l'écoeurement.
Why would Brussels back down?
Just like in the UK, people look to blame others for their predicament.
Nicely summed up. I think many Leavers strong anti EU emotions lead them to think everyone feels as strongly about the subject.
The attention span of most of the people in the UK for any political issue is quite short and over two and a half years of brexit has been far too much for most. The longer this goes on, the more they'll disengage.
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Yes . I listen to what people say. It is very interesting concept, those who say the least sometimes have more to say. I then note what they have said in the past, and were their actions consistent with that. That is why i try not to comment on British Politicians
I don’t think it’s a case of backing down. More a case of working out a sensible deal.
I see. It’s an opinion then.
Have you also noted that on every occasion the EU does a major deal it changes the deal at the 11th hour?
As it were.
What's a sensible deal to you?
Any other deal than the status quo will be a bad deal as we will have no say in what the EU does. At least when Farage was there he got stuff done (no he didn't - I jest! He barely attended the Fisheries Committee). Like it or loath it, the UK will end up complying with EU laws, deal or no deal. A Norway-style deal will end up being FORCED in Shenghen (we are currently NOT, no matter the BS handed out by the right scaremongers; we just don't enforce our borders), paying more, and having no way to push our agenda.
So about this sensible deal...
There are 39 billion reasons why..
btw, which countries are going to make up the year on year shortfall when the UK leaves? Also remember this EU Army won`t come cheap!!
I’d keep it simple.
Trade deal not unlike what we have now. Works for both of us. Why change it? I’d have free movement of people but the difference would be that you can’t claim benefits the minute you get off the plane.
EU citizens would be able to work here no problem but the employer would need a work visa. I’d make it straightforward enough but the employer would have to pay a skills tax which would be ploughed back into training and education for UK students and jobseekers.
Security would be a as tight and close as they want. I’m guessing they want it close and tight.
Shared arts and science programs.
Sensible stuff. A new bespoke deal, just for us.