Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

And we sure build airports better than the Germans

Says the poster who disregards the now closed Templehof airport refurbished by the nazis in the 1930s which many architects since have described as the greatest example of airport design and a city airport too!

Not many people know this but our very own Stansted airport was once adjudged to merit a prize from the EU for the designer of the new terminal building, Norman Foster. That was the EU Prize for Contemporary Architecture in 1990.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

We hold world records for delayed, over budget and unfinished projects.

Indeed; and it seems that we no longer have the capability to construct our own nuclear power stations.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

Withdrawing from its neighbours, by the narrowest of margins in a dishonest poll?

the referendum in 2016 won't be the last.

 

[flecc]

Indeed; and it seems that we no longer have the capability to construct our own nuclear power stations.

Just as well, we took 14 years to construct our last one, the Sizewell B PWR, and it was way over budget.

South Korea is almost totally dependent on nuclear energy. They typically built their PWRs in 4 years and hold the world record for one built in two years.

In the face of that only a masochistic nation would employ us to build one and we don't dare try again for ourselves. So much for the leavers fairy tale that we are good enough to succeed on our own.
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[Jennifer Jenkins]

I advise you not to make it yourself Jennifer .Totally agree with you but folk are blinkered, misinformed and rude on here.
There are lots who agree with you...

The silent majority as I like to say. Who would have thought - before the vote - that it would have been won by 'Leave'? Not me! I was utterly convinced it would go to 'Remain'. I even put some money on it. Which I was happy to lose.

Like the silent majority of people who think the police are right to ram stolen moped riders off their bikes. The silent majority who think its not OK for anybody to be able to decide what sex they are on their passport. You know? That silent majority.

In the meantime - here we deal with the very NOT-silent minority.

You know who you are.

 

[Kudoscycles]

The mistake many who did not vote for leave - is to think people who DID vote 'leave' did it for the money or for immigration. Talking to my friends who voted leave the majority it was something far less tangible than that. Of course it's summed up by the 'take back control' but even they/we are not so stupid as to think us little people ever have 'control'. But it was along those lines.

Oh sure you can say we're all stupid - zenophobic - racist - sure - we've heard it all. But there was a hope in there. A hope that has not yet quite been completely extinguished. Though I fear it will be. But perhaps at least for a few moments it felt like the little people had won something worth winning.

I know of dozens,albeit most working in the NHS,that voted Leave just because of the £350 million down the side of Boris’s red bus,now they realise their mistake and would all vote Remain given another chance.
The NHS is emptying of the best of the EU staff who don’t see a future in the U.K.,there are 100,000 missing nurses and doctors,Brexit and the weakness of the £ v Euro is making their home countries more attractive and they don’t feel welcome here any more.
Bad effects of Brexit are already happening.
KudosDave

 

[tommie]

All French military vehicles have the EU flag on them - the army is proud to be in the EU.

In other news Molotov cocktails, baseball bats, slingshots and other various clubs, knives and iron bars are considered to be weapons. Did you see on TV the person with the battery powered angle grinder attacking ATMs?

The police are defending people and property from casseurs (the ones wearing the masks), most of whom have nothing to do with the protest but who are just out for a bit of wanton destruction and ultra violence. Anyone can wear a high-vis vest.

A word of advise: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

So you searched and searched Google until you found this pic!

Of a terrorist IRA bomber who planted a bomb in a fish n chip shop, killing himself and murdering 9 innocent men women and children in 1993..

So your point is ????

Maybe you need to look at Paris, Nice etc, etc ??

The country is a cesspit of terrorism!



Terrorist incidents map of France 1970-2015. Paris, Corsica and Southwestern France are major places of incidents. A total of 2,616 incidents are plotted

Yep, you take your own advice lol, people in glasshouses blah, blah, blah..

 

[Kudoscycles]

I have written some 3500 posts ,and I don't believe I used those terms in any of them.
The argument about "taking back control " is actually one I have sympathy with . The error though is the UK had not lost it. Every decision of consequence in the EU was with the consent of the UK Parliament. That unfortunately is / was the lie that has been foisted on the people's of Britain, by certain politicians and newspaper magnates.
If you have been foolish, it is because you have believed this lie. .
The level of democratic accountability within the EU and previous EEC is extremely high...I am not going to reiterate it here. Other than to say you in the UK have been very badly served by the representatives you have elected to serve you in the Brussels Parliament and the European Commission.

IDS and others keep going on about control of our money,but surely with the £ ,we already have control of our money.
KudosDave

 

[Jennifer Jenkins]

I am happy to agree with the proposition that we are living in what is probably the most golden age....
Reflect why poverty has reduced ,and thank China for it. Their brutal, by our standards 1 child policy stabilised their population base, . The United States of China ,for that is what it is.. with its single market, a single Parliament....
Next it will the United States of India , what then for an island isolated in the NW of Europe, deliberately and by its inhabitants?. Withdrawing from its neighbours, by the narrowest of margins in a dishonest poll?.

'Narrowest of margins'?

Huh?

1,269,501 more votes in the biggest turn out of voters this country has EVER seen!!!!!!

 

[Jennifer Jenkins]

So you searched and searched Google until you found this pic!

Of a terrorist IRA bomber who planted a bomb in a fish n chip shop, killing himself and murdering 9 innocent men women and children in 1993..

So your point is ????

Maybe you need to look at Paris, Nice etc, etc ??

The country is a cesspit of terrorism!

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Terrorist incidents map of France 1970-2015. Paris, Corsica and Southwestern France are major places of incidents. A total of 2,616 incidents are plotted

Yep, you take your own advice lol, people in glasshouses blah, blah, blah..

Right.

 

[Jennifer Jenkins]

There's truth in that, I'm old enough to have lived through the huge decline before we joined with Europe, when we lost virtually all of our industries and then much of our commerce. That ended up with us teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and the IMF having to come in and run our economy for much of the decade.

Joining into Europe in that same decade put us back on track and we've largely recovered since, albeit with other's manufacturing.

Do you really think our politicians and business leaders now are any better than those before we joined? I think they are far worse, today's politicians can't even knock up a Brexit deal, so all the evidence is that they will fail.

However, I'm not trading on my knowing, so I refer you back to what I posted but you ignored. If we are good enough to sell to the wider world as Germany and some other EU members do, lets do it first, then leave knowing we can be successful.

As for your suggestion of selling other countries project management, that must be a bad joke. We hold world records for delayed, over budget and unfinished projects.
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Me thinks it was a bit more than joining the EU that got us out of the cr** we were in. Like Thatcher. Like the liberalisation globally of markets and capital. But heck. You're on a roll Flecc keep going.

 

[flecc]

Who would have thought - before the vote - that it would have been won by 'Leave'? Not me! I was utterly convinced it would go to 'Remain'. I even put some money on it. Which I was happy to lose.

That's amusing, you a Leaver was convinced Remain would win, but Old Groaner in here who is a Remainer was convinced Leave would win and posted as such before the referendum.

Perhaps we should have him in government, it would be nice to have someone there who can get things right.
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[flecc]

Me thinks it was a bit more than joining the EU that got us out of the cr** we were in. Like Thatcher. Like the liberalisation globally of markets and capital. But heck. You're on a roll Flecc keep going.

Another joke, Thatcher was a disaster we are still suffering from.
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[Kudoscycles]

Come on guys ,be liberal,we can accept a hermaphrodite within our contributors !!!
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

'Narrowest of margins'?

Huh?

1,269,501 more votes in the biggest turn out of voters this country has EVER seen!!!!!!

Yes, narrowest of margins, under 4%.

Still, Brexit looks like turning out to be a joke, a pretence of leaving the EU thanks to the national incompetence that would ensure we'd fail if we left.
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[Zlatan]

Another joke, Thatcher was a disaster we are still suffering from.
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Her social policies perhaps, her struggle against miners perhaps yes but her liberalising of investment and keynian policies more than likely stopped us going bankrupt.
Yes, we had boon and bust but the massive increase in ftse, house prices, and increase in standard of living during her years will never be repeated. Loathe her or hate her, she dragged our economy out of recession caused by labour.(you remember the 3 day week flecc, whilst we were in your beloved EU..) . Labour isn't working was easiest campaign in history for Tories yet leavers put all the increase in our standard of living down to EU. Utter tripe. And you know it is.
How many times do you tell us EU can't be blamed for all our wrongs (just the major ones) yet any improvement you attribute to them. Utter and absolute hypocrisy caused by you buying into the propaganda you accuse leavers of buying.
Our not leaving EU or adopting May's Brino is without doubt the biggest missed opportunity this country has ever had.
Through it all you just can't see, explain, justify or even accept why on earth the EU is so keen to keep us. Leavers know why.
In EU we will simply be that country near France, Germany etc etc. Its a crying shame but on your heads be it when we have zero manufacturing and zero chance of creating one under EU competition rules.. We willsimply be a small helpful contributor to the doomed EU experiment with little say in the complex biased and corrupt EU and no Sterling...

 

[Danidl]

'Narrowest of margins'?

Huh?

1,269,501 more votes in the biggest turn out of voters this country has EVER seen!!!!!!

Yes narrowest of margins . 1.3 m in 37 m is a narrow margin. Put simply 600k people of the 37 million who voted put their X in one box not the other.

 

[flecc]

Loathe her or hate her, she dragged our economy out of recession caused by labour.(you remember the 3 day week flecc, whilst we were in your beloved EU...

Untrue, that recession wasn't caused by Labour, they inherited the mess that Ted Heath's management and the Arab oil crisis left for the economy. Agreed Labour then didn't do much to help put it right, it was the IMF which steered things back on course.

Thatcher's opening contribution was to create the1980 recession and then destroy much of what was left of our industry and commerce. She replaced it with bubble businesses in the service sector which couldn't last so created the1991 recession which her successor John Major had to cope with. Thatcher was a disaster.
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[oldgroaner]

talk of fresh food shortages in case of no deal brexit lacks credibility.
Would the EU stop exporting fresh food to the UK? Totally unlikely.
It's up to HMRC to stop those lorries bringing in fresh food into Dover, Portsmouth etc. and they are not going to do that.
As far as food price is concerned, there will be inflation but in time, it will be adjusted by wage increase.

Brexit doen't come with wages increases as part of the package, does it?

 

[Danidl]

We can get 'fresh' food from as far away as New Zealand - refrigerated transport and all that. Plus just wait for all the wine we can get without those EU tariffs. Hic.

You cannot get fresh food from NZ. You can get freshly frozen food ,delivered by ship many weeks later. At a very high price, you can get airported food within perhaps 36 hrs of it being alive.