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oldtom

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this chestnut looks like cherry picking.
Does Saatchi think, I wonder, that his idea differs in detail from all that has gone before, considered and discarded by experts?

As I intimated elsewhere, there is nothing new here and I think it is a deliberate ploy to cloud the issue and create uncertainty.

It's now a case of ANY DEAL WILL DO, in my opinion.

Tom
 

oldgroaner

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Does Saatchi think, I wonder, that his idea differs in detail from all that has gone before, considered and discarded by experts?

As I intimated elsewhere, there is nothing new here and I think it is a deliberate ploy to cloud the issue and create uncertainty.

It's now a case of ANY DEAL WILL DO, in my opinion.

Tom
This Brexit farce is making the country look to all the world like an Ancient and Venerable Once of World Wide Standing Company, teetering on the edge of Bankruptcy and desperate for any deal it can strike before the liquidators move in.
What happened to the notion we were going to be a "Global leader"?
We look more like something offered in a car boot sale behind a pub.
 
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oldtom

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So this person wants equal voting rights for a country with a smaller population
'This person' is stinking rich and has no affinity whatsoever for the common man. His interest in the 'Brexit' shambles is purely an attempt to salvage any kind of deal that protects the interests of the 5% after EU legislation is brought to bear against the use of tax havens early next year.

Gullible fools may well 'buy' his lies, imagining that he is some sort of patriotic saviour and that is the hope and intention of this late-hour intervention.

Tom
 

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Does Saatchi think, I wonder, that his idea differs in detail from all that has gone before, considered and discarded by experts?

As I intimated elsewhere, there is nothing new here and I think it is a deliberate ploy to cloud the issue and create uncertainty.

It's now a case of ANY DEAL WILL DO, in my opinion.

Tom
Tories still believe that the EU is like a business, it can be bought. Of course they are wrong on this. The admin cost of the EU is only 10% of their budget, without the UK's contribution, they will have to scale down their projects but money is not the most important factor.
TM's strongest ally is JC. If she could do a deal with him, then we'll get a smooth brexit. If not, then TM will have to go soon.
 

oldgroaner

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Tories still believe that the EU is like a business, it can be bought. Of course they are wrong on this. The admin cost of the EU is only 10% of their budget, without the UK's contribution, they will have to scale down their projects but money is not the most important factor.
TM's strongest ally is JC. If she could do a deal with him, then we'll get a smooth brexit. If not, then TM will have to go soon.
I find the term "Smooth Brexit" to be Oxymoron in nature.
 

oyster

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More facts:

Population Germany 82.79 million
Population UK 66.02 million

So this person wants equal voting rights for a country with a smaller population - is he from the USA?
Two questions:

What are the equivalent numbers if restricted to those eligible to vote in the respective countries' elections?

Does the UK number include all the alleged illegal immigrants? ;)
 
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oldtom

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Two questions:

What are the equivalent numbers if restricted to those eligible to vote in the respective countries' elections?

Does the UK number include all the alleged illegal immigrants? ;)
I would refer the honourable forum member to the honourable member for Southend-on-Sea who is better equipped than most to provide an answer.

Tom
 

Woosh

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May's deal is a version of Norway, she swaps membership of the SM for membership of the CU. May's deal does not stop JC to negotiate his if he wins the next GE.
The best way for May to salvage the situation is to offer JC a GE in May if he supports her deal.
She should step down in April then let the tories elect their new leader who will fight JC.
 
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flecc

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And yes, I totally agree flecc has made a fantastic contribution to thread and he should stay. However, I find his current annoyance is both misplaced and hypocritical. He has witnessed folk being called racist, scum, thick, idiotic and xenophobic yet regularly supports the poster doing so.
No hypocrisy, I have explained this to you before but you seem to ignore that, so I'll repeat it once again, this time in detail.

Look back through the occasions when I've posted an agree with OT or OG and you'll see those are largely the posts that do not include their extreme responses. The "agree" is merely to a point they are making. I make a real effort to avoid posting an agree when anyone is being offensive and they lose very many agrees from me on those grounds. Therefore I am not supporting them being offensive and they both know that since I've posted as such before in reply to you.

Now to deal with why I don't post criticising their bad behaviour when they post as such to others. It's simply a matter of good manners, their posts to others being none of my business since I'm not an administrator. It only becomes my business if OT or OG posted in that manner at me, but they never have done. Therefore there cannot be any justification in my attacking their manner of posting to others. How they do that is up to them and if the administrators allow it, any adverse comment from me would also be unjustifed interference with their right to run the site as they see fit. In fact the administrator whose site this is knows from previous private discussion that there are times when I'd take a tougher line than him, but it's not for me to take that line in the forum.
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anotherkiwi

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If leavers knew what they were voting for in the 2016 referendum, why did they make such a song and dance about controlling our borders and curbing immigration?


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Tom
In an earlier post I described an interview at the prefecture where an English lass was being asked to provide proof of resources before getting a carte de sejour. She was being asked as a citizen of an EU country.
 

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