Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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So why are you getting so hot under the collar?

You guys repeat the same thing over and over and when you get called out you either flounce, insult or lie. Sometimes all three.

You said lots of nonsense. I corrected you. Nothing I posted was incorrect.

And I never called you a snowflake either.
liar! you called him snowflecc, the implication should be obvious even to you
And you have never and will never answer the question
What is there as evidence that Brexit will be beneficial.?

So why are you here at all when you have nothing to add to the thread?
 
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oldgroaner

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I wish I was doing that instead of sitting on a train reading your fresh extrudings.
Halleluya! "Extrudings"?
Hey, fingers, stick to small words you have a remote chance of understanding,but thank you for making everyone smile
You are comical...........extrudings indeed!:D
 
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oldgroaner

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I have to confess surprise that this challenge has got as far as the High Court. Nonetheless, it's in the hands of the learned bewigged members of the tory party judges and a decision will be made early next week.

Tom
With the sort of luck that wins the lottery
 
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oldgroaner

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From Best for Britain
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Britain likes to think fairness and a sense of fair play are core British values. Britain should demonstrate a sense of fair play, especially as the realities of Brexit are decided. Brexit affects everyone with connections to Britain.

Around 3.6 million EU citizens have made their lives in the UK and more than a million British people have chosen to live in Europe. We say give all British citizens and EU citizens resident in the UK an equal say on Brexit in a people's vote.
Remember the American call for Independence and "No taxation without representation?

No Brexit decision without representation
EU citizens and even British citizens who have lived abroad for more than 15 years are denied a vote in general elections and referendums. They were unable to vote in the 2016 EU Referendum. But these are the people whose lives could be most immediately turned upside down by Brexit. A people's vote on the Brexit deal will require the UK Parliament to pass a specific referendum law. This law could include provisions for extending the vote in a way that is most fair to those most affected by the decision.

If they are allowed to vote Brexit will go down like the Titanic did, and good riddance
 

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our economy will certainly shrink on WTO brexit but it isn't a terminal decline.
We are still the EU's single biggest market and on WTO, HMRC Treasury will collect tariffs from not only the EU 27 but from all other countries selling to us. 80% of that money goes to the EU's coffers until now. You are not talking small sums, we buy about £600 billions, average duty is about 5%, so the Treasury can collect a substantial £20-£30 billions a year in duty in addition to the £11 billion average net contribution to the EU.
We will lose a substantial chunk of our manufacturing but in return, a Corbyn industrial policy will renew our manufacturing industries.
I spoke to HMRC last week,they have prepared nothing for collecting tariffs,they also have no substitute for vat integration between the U.K. and EU. They assume that we are going to have some deal,with no deal customs will be non existent.
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Kudoscycles

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this is what you said.

I think the only solution is to cancel/postpone article 50 to put the whole matter on hold, with a legally backed promise to return to it after more time to examine all the implications. Then after that, perhaps a couple of years, try again with very strong control over the campaigning and harsh sanctions to prevent either side abusing the process in the way both did so disgracefully last time


And yes.

I also had you down as someone better. I forgive you though. You're just passionate.
Fingers,excuse the pun but you really are clutching at straws riding a unicorn....there is absolutely no chance that anyone is going to look again at Brexit,this is a one-off opportunity,if it fails we are in the EU for the long term.
I don’t believe that May can take us into a second referendum nor can she complete Brexit. She needs to be replaced by a strong Remainer (Hammond/Rudd) or strong Leaver (Davis/Boris),Grieve’s amendment has put parliament in the driving seat,so it depends which way parliament is leaning to whom the Tories vote....the maths in parliament suggest that parliament has always been remain so it’s my thought that Rudd will get the top job.
KudosDave
 
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it's a bit sad to see people insulting each other on here. I know passions are running high and some are getting more inflamed than others, but it only cheapens what is an interesting debate, that has some wildly varying opinions. This is reflected throughout the country. We won't change the course of this but should be able to express our opinions without being called idiots scum etc. This is an interesting thread about a momentous time in our history. I keep trying to keep out but it always draws me back. Finally a word in defence of Flecc who has been attacked lately. I'm sure he can stand up for himself, but in all the time on here, although not always agreeing with him I have always found him to be helpful courteous and factual and I value his contributions. I have a feeling that many people may have left the thread because of the tone of the debate. Lets hope we can get them back.
 

oldgroaner

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it's a bit sad to see people insulting each other on here. I know passions are running high and some are getting more inflamed than others, but it only cheapens what is an interesting debate, that has some wildly varying opinions. This is reflected throughout the country. We won't change the course of this but should be able to express our opinions without being called idiots scum etc. This is an interesting thread about a momentous time in our history. I keep trying to keep out but it always draws me back. Finally a word in defence of Flecc who has been attacked lately. I'm sure he can stand up for himself, but in all the time on here, although not always agreeing with him I have always found him to be helpful courteous and factual and I value his contributions. I have a feeling that many people may have left the thread because of the tone of the debate. Lets hope we can get them back.
They are most welcome when they come on with the intention of raising debatable points. When they are not prepared to do that is when things go awry.
Actually very few have in fact left the thread if you check back, and not a single one has been able to advance a cogent argument in Favour of Brexit.

We need more contributors like Woosh who can present a case for Brexit that is at least worthy of debate. So far he is the exception, which is a shame.

When so much is at stake the leave camp needs a much better supportive argument than expressed wishes and pious hopes for things to turn out right to support it.
Remainers are not getting the level of competent opposition, just time wasters who want to come on to disrupt the thread.
It is those people who are making people who voted for Brexit look foolish, not those arguing for remain
Where are the supporters of Brexit who can present their case?
 
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flecc

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I have a feeling that many people may have left the thread because of the tone of the debate. Lets hope we can get them back.
Thank you Gray. I have to say that I'm almost on the verge of leaving this thread since it's becoming impossible to post sensibly and politely without offensive responses.

If there isn't a big improvement soon I'm out.
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Please don't include fadecrap videos in the thread they make it jump
 
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oldgroaner

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Thank you Gray. I have to say that I'm almost on the verge of leaving this thread since it's becoming impossible to post sensibly and politely without offensive responses.

If there isn't a big improvement soon I'm out.
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Don't do that flecc I promise to try to be good, and as you know
No ones more trying than me

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