What he is doing is classed as trolling - there are explanations about the criteria available online and he, if indeed it is a 'he', and his new-found accomplice fit the bill perfectly.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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Only in your dreams 'gray198'.
No sane person could possibly consider the response by the EU to the UK's decision to secede as bullying. Indeed, any reasonable person would consider the EU has been measured, compassionate and realistic in its handling of the matter.
You seem to have an inexplicable hatred for foreign people, so much so that you seem incapable of making an informed judgement on any situation arising from the UK's choice of direction
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..you obviously failed to read my post to the end. The disparity between RoI and UK was of the order of a factor of 10 ,during the economic war,,and of course the big British operations had maintained control of corporate entities Guinness, land leaseholds etc . ..much of which remained until 1970 s ... Now the EU is 10 times the size of the UK. Whitaker's major contribution was in getting the state to realise that free trade and access to the EEC was so much better than protectionism.
Project Fear was a brilliant put down, 100% to the marketeers who created the words. . A meaningless jumble of words denoting .. 1. Concerted effort or plan ..hence suggesting conspiracy
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2. fear ..so by definition anyone who opposes it must be brave.
Once one uses it it is a word like, troll. Nxxxxx in the USA, or AntiSemantism or indeed terrorism, and means that no further explanation or analysis is needed..
Sorry I don't work like that, I try any get to the fundamentals .
Rational experts were asked to give their experience and views as to what might happen under different scenarios. They did so, and people far less versed in economic theory or knowledge then rubbished the most extreme of what were a spectrum of outcomes.
What is actually factual is that the growth spurt which the UK economy would have had over the past two years has been stunted. The exchange rate has moved seriously in an adverse direction against the UK. That is the only reliable indicator of performance. Economies like Ireland which were faltering after our disastrous property bubble,have picked up steam,and are out performing
Sorry fingers the nurse has gone home to the EU
You'll have to self medicate, and not too strongly this time, it gives you delusions of adequacy
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The shocking non benign influence was the leave campaign and the dark money and dirty illegal dealings it employed.
And of course the dupes who have no proof of the viability of Brexit but insist of making a nuisance of themselves on line.
our economy will certainly shrink on WTO brexit but it isn't a terminal decline.
We are still the EU's single biggest market and on WTO, HMRC Treasury will collect tariffs from not only the EU 27 but from all other countries selling to us. 80% of that money goes to the EU's coffers until now. You are not talking small sums, we buy about £600 billions, average duty is about 5%, so the Treasury can collect a substantial £20-£30 billions a year in duty in addition to the £11 billion average net contribution to the EU.
We will lose a substantial chunk of our manufacturing but in return, a Corbyn industrial policy will renew our manufacturing industries.
does anyone really think that a second referendum would solve the problem . If the vote was the same the remain camp would try to find a way to discredit it, if remain won the people who voted leave would be unhappy to say the least and demand another one. It would be a total nightmare and create division for years to come, on top of which the already fragile trust in politics would be eroded even further. I don't know the way out other than for the establishment to honour their pledge to the country, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. I see this polluting the country for years to come whatever happens. It is surely in the interest of the EU for this situation to be stabilised, considering the other problems they have , riots in France, problems with Italy/Spain/ Greece, Germany losing some of it's stability and growth. There is quite a long list.
I am simply talking about industrial policy. Nothing will stop a centre right government do even better than JC.
At the moment, the conservatives are so absorbed in ther internal fight about Europe that they have no industrial policy for after brexit.
A second referendum at the moment wouldn't bring peace, but nothing currently on offer will either. The trouble is the way in which Leave, led by Boris Johnson, polluted their campaign with so many blatant lies which continue to outrage Remainers. It doesn't matter that the Remain campaign tried to instill fear, it couldn't work because we already knew exactly what Remain meant since we'd been living it for decades. And now the revelations about the financial impropriety of spivs like Arron Banks illegally backing Leave are just making matters worse.
I think the only solution is to cancel/postpone article 50 to put the whole matter on hold, with a legally backed promise to return to it after more time to examine all the implications. Then after that, perhaps a couple of years, try again with very strong control over the campaigning and harsh sanctions to prevent either side abusing the process in the way both did so disgracefully last time.
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That isn't going to happen.
You make it sound like the campaign was in Russia.
Why can't you accept people want to leave the EU?
It truly baffles me that you will make up false narrative after false narrative to appease your views yet still say leave was more dodgy.
The vote was as fair as it could have been
yes but not without a fresh GE.
the problem here is not how to deliver brexit but which brexit.
The current parliament is composed by mostly remainers who happen to promise delivery of brexit so their natural tendency is to see brexit as a damage limitation project rather than what a German-esque national unity parliament would, examine all candidates and pick out the best points of each then make a best synthesis out of them.
The other problem is the very high cost of brexit, it's not so much because of the EU bill (£40 billions over 10 years) but brexit will likely cause hundreds of thousands of job losses within a few years and probably low growth for another 10.
Can you see tens of thousands of car builders convert to fruit pickers?
There is a lot more to be done than simply nationalise key industries, we need a very long time to set oursleves up again with automated factories and automated specialist suppliers too.
What is conspicuously lacking in the spirit, determination and commitment of the monied class you have to get onside, as it's far easier to get a quick buck in the near and far east.
That particular boat sailed many years ago.
No I'm sorry but the only real solution is to cancel Brexit altogether, the leave voters will in fact have lost nothing, so what have they to complain about?
And the remain voters will heave a sigh of relief, and so will most of the leave voters too.
No one can deny that this has been a costly, pointless and damaging two years where the country has endured nothing but trouble for no return, and Brexit goes ahead these two years will be looked back at as an opportunity lost to avert disaster.
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Strange that the law has determined otherwise??
And as for false narrative, when are you going to point to something in favour o Brexit being a good idea? something factual? rather than as you put it "False narrative"?
Here you are fingers! someone who believes in Brexit
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Brexit: Collapse in pound would be no bad thing, says David Davis
"Rejecting claims that a hard Brexit would be worse for Britain than Europe, Mr Davis claimed a 10 per cent drop in sterling would not be “a bad thing”. He said it would have a negative impact on European importers while offsetting the cost of tariffs for British companies selling to Europe."
What he didn't say is it will mean the public can afford to buy less, but if you have a "Hedge Fund" Chrsitmas will come early and stay late.
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Brexit: Collapse in pound would be no bad thing, says David Davis
"Rejecting claims that a hard Brexit would be worse for Britain than Europe, Mr Davis claimed a 10 per cent drop in sterling would not be “a bad thing”. He said it would have a negative impact on European importers while offsetting the cost of tariffs for British companies selling to Europe."
What he didn't say is it will mean the public can afford to buy less, but if you have a "Hedge Fund" Chrsitmas will come early and stay late.
Apparently Russia may have taken part. Link
I accept some want to leave the EU.
No false narrative made up in my post, every single aspect was easily checkable as based on facts, widely published and widely agreed. I can't make up what others have already said, I can only agree or disagree with them.
However, as usual you've missed the point. I was responding to Gray on the subject of bringing peace. It didn't matter whether I was right or not, I posted the known Remainer perceptions which prevent any chance of peace on this issue and proposed a possible solution.
Instead of mounting an unnecessary attack on me, perhaps you could be constructive instead and make your own suggestion on how to bring peace?
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First of all it wasn't an attack snowflecc.
Secondly I said the campaign wasn't held IN Russia.
The only solution? Really?
I've told you my opinion over and over. And it wasn't some. It was the majority.
You simply cannot accept the result. Its a circular argument.
