Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

I would rather remain but that seems extremely unlikely. Do you folks think there would be a majority in the HOC for a Norway plus model?

no.

 

[Fingers]

Rejoining means joining the Euro, it is now one of the conditions. That will never happen I'm afraid.

Thanks quite the statement.

You have a link to this of course?

 

[Woosh]

it would still be bound by great swathes of the EU regulation that rankles with businesses and the general public, but – and this is the crucial point – without any vote on it.

about the same compared to TM's deal - 40% of EU laws.

 

[Fingers]

I would rather remain but that seems extremely unlikely. Do you folks think there would be a majority in the HOC for a Norway plus model?

Iceland has already said they’d love us to join EFTA. It’s a real possible as it’s a good compromise. But we will have to reject Mays idiotic proposal first.

 

[Woosh]

Iceland has already said they’d love us to join EFTA. It’s a real possible as it’s a good compromise. But we will have to reject Mays idiotic proposal first.

May's proposal is more flexible than EFTA. It's a swimming pool model, you have a shallow end (England) and a deep end (NI). You have 100% FOM in NI and a more restricted FOM in the rest of the UK. You have 100% access to the SM in NI and less in the rest of the UK. Over time, we can settle on a gradual path of withdrawal from the SM and eventually, from the CU.

 

[anotherkiwi]

Thanks quite the statement.

You have a link to this of course?

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en

Any country that satisfies the conditions for membership can apply. These conditions are known as the ‘Copenhagen criteria’ and include a free-market economy, a stable democracy and the rule of law, and the acceptance of all EU legislation, including of the euro.

 

[Fingers]

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en

Any country that satisfies the conditions for membership can apply. These conditions are known as the ‘Copenhagen criteria’ and include a free-market economy, a stable democracy and the rule of law, and the acceptance of all EU legislation, including of the euro.

We haven’t left yet....

We are still full members...

Jesus.

 

[Zlatan]

If we do remain it's inevitable we will adopt Euro at some stage. Its pretty similar that EU will become a federal state,somewhere down line. That surely is a cost for us remaining,not a benefit. Personally never want to see either. It's one of the unspoken by leavers reasons for leaving. The EU is developing, will continue to do so and nobody can actually predict what into. We, ve spent months looking into crystal ball trying to predict affects of Brexit but little effort has been expended saying where is EU going.

 

[anotherkiwi]

We haven’t left yet....

We are still full members...

Jesus.

My point was should the UK wish to rejoin in the future I cannot see you giving up the GBP. I think if you had a referendum on that it would (going out on a limb here) be an 85/15 vote against.

You haven't been fully paid up members since Thatcher and have been sending w@nkers with no other project than disruption of the parliament as MEPs... Full members pull their weight...

 

[Fingers]

May's proposal is more flexible than EFTA. It's a swimming pool model, you have a shallow end (England) and a deep end (NI). You have 100% FOM in NI and a more restricted FOM in the rest of the UK. You have 100% access to the SM in NI and less in the rest of the UK. Over time, we can settle on a gradual path of withdrawal from the SM and eventually, from the CU.

Mays proposal has us in the custom union and also has that Hotel California clause.

So we can’t do trade deals without the permission of the unelected EU bureaucrats and we can check out but never leave.

We wouldn’t accept Schengen but we can can compromise on other areas.

Fishing for one.

 

[anotherkiwi]

If we do remain it's inevitable we will adopt Euro at some stage. Its pretty similar that EU will become a federal state,somewhere down line. That surely is a cost for us remaining,not a benefit. Personally never want to see either. It's one of the unspoken by leavers reasons for leaving. The EU is developing, will continue to do so and nobody can actually predict what into. We, ve spent months looking into crystal ball trying to predict affects of Brexit but little effort has been expended saying where is EU going.

The fact that the plan of what it intends to evolve into has been written out in clear language and published for quite some time on the various web sites it runs seems to have escaped your attention?

 

[Zlatan]

The fact that the plan of what it intends to evolve into has been written out in clear language and published for quite some time on the various web sites it runs seems to have escaped your attention?

Yes, I read the article, never saw any mention of an EU army. Times change, circumstances alter a political agenda can never predict where unions end up. Its a guideline, a mission statement, idealistic at best. It can never predict how unions react to change and incidents. Only a moron would assume its carved in stone and can neither change or adapt.
Besides, why should I be interested in a club I don't actually want to be part of?

 

[Woosh]

Mays proposal has us in the custom union and also has that Hotel California clause.

So we can’t do trade deals without the permission of the unelected EU bureaucrats and we can check out but never leave.

We wouldn’t accept Schengen but we can can compromise on other areas.

Fishing for one.

that Hotel California clause is also a reasonable compromise.
It locks the EU into offering us continued access to the SM at reduced cost and out of the FOM.
until such a time when we really know where we should be: in the EU or in the USA - if we were to join the USA then we'd lose NI, we should see it as a good point instead of a bad point.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Seems support for May's vision of Brexit is gaining support, and for obvious reasons. Nobody with any financial sense wants a no deal and nobody with any sense wants current Labour fools in power.
May to her credit has persevered when others would have thrown towel in and arrived at a deal that is neither staying or leaving, with potentially little damage to economy and some of the political measures wanted by leave.
Time to stop the bickering and all of us accept the compromises. The alternatives, unfortunately, are far worse whatever your political leaning.

No,we were never told by Leave that Brexit would make us poorer....every government forecast now tells us that every scenario will make us poorer....why should we accept a deal that is clearly awful.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

I would rather remain but that seems extremely unlikely. Do you folks think there would be a majority in the HOC for a Norway plus model?

No....the Norway model means we have to accept freedom of movement...I am quite happy with freedom of movement.....might as well Remain.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Rejoining means joining the Euro, it is now one of the conditions. That will never happen I'm afraid.

Another reason why we should never leave in the first place.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

Do you folks think there would be a majority in the HOC for a Norway plus model?

I think we could end up there if all else fails.
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[Kudoscycles]

If we do remain it's inevitable we will adopt Euro at some stage. Its pretty similar that EU will become a federal state,somewhere down line. That surely is a cost for us remaining,not a benefit. Personally never want to see either. It's one of the unspoken by leavers reasons for leaving. The EU is developing, will continue to do so and nobody can actually predict what into. We, ve spent months looking into crystal ball trying to predict affects of Brexit but little effort has been expended saying where is EU going.

Why is it inevitable we would join the Euro?
KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

Another reason why we should never leave in the first place.
KudosDave

too late. 47% find that cancelling brexit would be a humiliation.

 

[flecc]

Any country that satisfies the conditions for membership can apply. These conditions are known as the ‘Copenhagen criteria’ and include a free-market economy, a stable democracy and the rule of law, and the acceptance of all EU legislation, including of the euro.

I'm betting they allow us EFTA with an opt out on the euro. They have enough euro alignment problems already without us added to them.
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