Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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Well technically yes. But any fool knows that it won’t be ratified.

And let’s get it straight. Even the 27 will want their tuppence worth before anything is agreed.

I know you’re not that naive. As it stands Ireland win with a full house.

That’s not going to happen though.
The only way ireland NI and or RoI win is no brexit. The only way uk wins is no brexit. The only way the EU wins is no BREXIt.

The rest is not going to happen, the EU are not going to change their Christmas plans,and there is no time afterwards. 3 months is the time taken to set up a pretty state visit, not international treaties.
I do suspect that the agreement will not survive the HoC, but hope that it will. Call that a foolish hope.
 

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The only way ireland NI and or RoI win is no brexit. The only way uk wins is no brexit. The only way the EU wins is no BREXIt.

The rest is not going to happen, the EU are not going to change their Christmas plans,and there is no time afterwards. 3 months is the time taken to set up a pretty state visit, not international treaties.
I do suspect that the agreement will not survive the HoC, but hope that it will. Call that a foolish hope.

I did predict all this if you could be bothered to look back. I couldn’t so I’m sure you couldn’t.

I even predicted the date.

This all starts again in January. With an extension to April of course.

As I predicted.

Of course.
 

anotherkiwi

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An opinion in the Torygraph this morning
Donald Trump is right: we can choose either Europe or the US, but not both
Jeremy Warner

Difficult choice
But there's no future in being the lapdog of America is there?
Well you both have shown to be reliable partners to those around you in recent times... :rolleyes:

And what was that saying? "Better in bed with the devil you know..." I mean after all they speak almost the same language as you do and they are very keen on war mongering and colonising small weak countries... You invented them after all!
 
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oldgroaner

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Well you both have shown to be reliable partners to those around you in recent times... :rolleyes:

And what was that saying? "Better in bed with the devil you know..." I mean after all they speak almost the same language as you do and they are very keen on war mongering and colonising small weak countries... You invented them after all!
You're a big help, really you are! :rolleyes:
With friends like these....etc, etc. :D
 
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Seems support for May's vision of Brexit is gaining support, and for obvious reasons. Nobody with any financial sense wants a no deal and nobody with any sense wants current Labour fools in power.
May to her credit has persevered when others would have thrown towel in and arrived at a deal that is neither staying or leaving, with potentially little damage to economy and some of the political measures wanted by leave.
Time to stop the bickering and all of us accept the compromises. The alternatives, unfortunately, are far worse whatever your political leaning.
 

oldgroaner

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Seems support for May's vision of Brexit is gaining support, and for obvious reasons. Nobody with any financial sense wants a no deal and nobody with any sense wants current Labour fools in power.
May to her credit has persevered when others would have thrown towel in and arrived at a deal that is neither staying or leaving, with potentially little damage to economy and some of the political measures wanted by leave.
Time to stop the bickering and all of us accept the compromises. The alternatives, unfortunately, are far worse whatever your political leaning.
Welcome back! for various reasons I feel that she will get the deal approved.
Because of fear, nothing more, nothing less.

Where we differ is that that you quite correctly point out that Labour are incompetent, and while this is true, I don't for a moment think that after Brexit it is in their long term interests to be in power any way.

Plus I think the whole notion of Brexit is the worst possible decision imaginable,and that no one in their right mind should accept it in any shape or form....ever....

Still since inevitably we will end up rejoining the EU anyway, it is only a short term disaster.

There is of course one perfectly good alternative Exit Brexit.
 
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anotherkiwi

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Rejoining means joining the Euro, it is now one of the conditions. That will never happen I'm afraid.
 

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Welcome back! for various reasons I feel that she will get the deal approved.
Because of fear, nothing more, nothing less.

Where we differ is that that you quite correctly point out that Labour are incompetent, and while this is true, I don't for a moment think that after Brexit it is in their long term interests to be in power any way.

Plus I think the whole notion of Brexit is the worst possible decision imaginable,and that no one in their right mind should accept it in any shape or form....ever....

Still since inevitably we will end up rejoining the EU anyway, it is only a short term disaster.

There is of course one perfectly good alternative Exit Brexit.
But that's not a compromise.
Its just like JRM, ERG or hard line leavers saying no deal leave.
The 52/48 means a compromised situation needing a compromise from both to move on. Which it's high time we all did.
 
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oldgroaner

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But that's not a compromise.
Its just like JRM, ERG or hard line leavers saying no deal leave.
The 52/48 means a compromised situation needing a compromise from both to move on. Which it's high time we all did.
Sorry but that really isn't going to happen is it?
At the first sign of any hardship, do you really expect what is by now the majority of votes who want to remain are going so say, "Oh well we have to grin and make the best of something we never wanted, or those who say we have decided it was the wrong choice?"

Feel free to compromise all you want, that's your privilege , but don't imagine for a moment you can expect that to be a universal reaction when things go wrong
 
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oldgroaner

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I would rather remain but that seems extremely unlikely. Do you folks think there would be a majority in the HOC for a Norway plus model?
I'm sure they will look at it, but then, look at this little lot
EU regulation without representation
Despite, some greater flexibility over agriculture, fisheries and external trade, if the UK were to opt for a Norwegian-style relationship it would still be bound by great swathes of the EU regulation that rankles with businesses and the general public, but – and this is the crucial point – without any vote on it. We noted in our Brexit study that if the UK were to ‘become like Norway’ by joining EEA, 93 out of the 100 costliest EU-derived regulations would remain in place at a cost of £31.4bn per year (94.3% of the total cost). This is because many EU policy areas would continue to apply to the UK including financial services, social and employments laws, energy and climate change policies, and this is where the bulk of the regulatory cost stems from.


However we have to bear in mind there is an air of desperation in the HOC
 
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