Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

There’s more chance of Tom not lying than Rees Mogg being anything other than the punchline of politics.

click Bait: irrelevant and insulting opinion

 

[flecc]

We had a few nutters and a bus.

And still smashed you! How embarrassing.

The embarrassment was and still is yours.

Your "few" nutters totalled some 17 millions.

And you've totally failed to get an acceptable leave deal.

How embarrassing, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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[Fingers]

The embarrassment was and still is yours.

Your "few" nutters totalled some 17 millions.

And you've totally failed to get an acceptable leave deal.

How embarrassing, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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It’s not even halfway through the second half yet.

Save your hollow gloating till it’s done loser. Remember two things. Nothing is Agreed until Everything is Agreed and Brexit means Brexit.

 

[oyster]

It does make me chuckle when you lot whinge on and on about unfairness in the referendum. When will the penny drop....Don’t answer that. It never will.

You had EVERY single major political party bar the batshit looneys of UKIP rooting for you. Past prime ministers, celebrity endorsements a leaflet delivered to every single household in Britain saying vote remain.

We had a few nutters and a bus.

And still smashed you! How embarrassing.

You seem proud to have done what the few nutters wanted you to do. Rather than consider that the incredible panoply of highly experienced people - who very often completely disagreed with each other in most contexts - just might make sense?

(My own decision was probably effectively made many years ago. I have discussed and argued about the EU with many people. The campaign made no difference to my vote.)

 

[oyster]

And an even bigger one of yours as usual

"After all, it was Prime Minister Churchill who announced in June 1940 the ‘Declaration of Union’ between Great Britain and France. With the full backing of his Cabinet, Churchill stated, ‘The two governments declare that France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union… Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain; every British subject will become a citizen of France.’
Mr Farage added, ‘Churchill once said, “If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea”. Hardly encouraging words for the Commission.’

(What Mr Farage doesn’t say is that Churchill shouted this remark to the French leader, General Charles de Gaulle, in a raging row on the eve of the Normandy landings in 1944. Churchill loathed de Gaulle and wanted to show loyalty to the US President, Franklin Roosevelt. Churchill also angrily added, ‘Every time I have to choose between you and Roosevelt, I will always choose Roosevelt.’ Also see, ‘D-Day: The Battle for Normandy’ by Antony Beevoir.)

Hundreds of mostly anonymous eurosceptics flocked to the reader’s columns of The Telegraph and other UK newspapers to claim that Churchill would have been on their side, and he would have voted UKIP.

So who’s right?

Well Sir Winston Churchill isn’t here to say, and it’s impossible to know what he would think of the world as it is now, 50 years after his death. But I believe that Nigel Farage is not correct in stating that Churchill’s call for a ‘United States of Europe’ was taken out of context by Barroso; or that Churchill would not have been a fan of political union in Europe. Neither do I believe for a moment that Churchill would vote UKIP, or that he was in any way a ‘eurosceptic’.

What we have seen through much of the brexit process has been leavers damning the EU in total. Churchill could have wanted the UK to be separate from the EU - or a member - that we cannot know. But I can't find anything so far that suggests he was, or rather would have been, actually anti-EU as such.

 

[flecc]

Save your hollow gloating till it’s done loser.

That's funny considering you've already lost.

If that's not the case, why have you been whinging about what an absolutely terrible deal May has achieved?
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[oldtom]

Save your hollow gloating till it’s done loser. Remember two things. Nothing is Agreed until Everything is Agreed and Brexit means Brexit.

So sayeth the brilliant author of the seminal literary work on 'Brexit', the one and only, the original…….I give you….the Wayne Kerr!

Tom

 

[Fingers]

That's funny considering you've already lost.

If that's not the case, why have you been whinging about what an absolutely terrible deal May has achieved?
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It is a bad deal. I’m not going to lie like some other members who shall remain nameless although we all know it’s Tom the Liar.

What will happen is May will come back with 95% of a deal offer it to parliament December 6th and arrange the final, final, final, last chance forever lol meeting with the EU the following Saturday so you’d better vote yes etc.

It will rightly be rejected and it will be agreed that we try again in the new year with an extension till April.

 

[oldtom]

The racists might want to just consider this for a moment:



Tom

 

[Fingers]

So sayeth the brilliant author of the seminal literary work on 'Brexit', the one and only, the original…….I give you….the Wayne Kerr!

Tom

It’s not going to stick Tom. Because it’s a lie.

 

[oldtom]

The well-respected gentleman currently hospitalised in Ontario has much to say from which others could learn. Here is an example:



Tom

 

[Fingers]

The well-respected gentleman currently hospitalised in Ontario has much to say from which others could learn. Here is an example:

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Tom

https://goo.gl/images/EaSGzm

 

[Deleted member 128]

According to Mrs May a few weeks ago, the choice was her Brexit or a no-deal Brexit.

Now she's saying the choice is her Brexit or no Brexit.

This is very encouraging, in just the last few weeks there's a lot more mention of no Brexit and People's Vote. The tides have changed and there's now momentum for an Exit Brexit.

 

[Woosh]

It is a bad deal.

it's an good deal, don't think anyone else will succeed better than May.
She's given an impossible task: we want to keep as many benefits as possible, protect as many jobs as possible and pay as little as possible, keep as many doors pen as possible and don't expect any reward for your effort.
I don't think JC or BJ or JRM would do a better job under the circumstance.

 

[Fingers]

it's an good deal, don't think anyone else will succeed better than May.
She's given an impossible task: we want to keep as many benefits as possible, protect as many jobs as possible and pay as little as possible, keep as many doors pen as possible and don't expect any reward for your effort.
I don't think JC or BJ or JRM would do a better job under the circumstance.

Unfortunately it doesn’t finish the argument. It’s neither one thing nor the other.

When and if we fail as the Eunuchs of the EU under this deal the arguments will begin again.

All we really need is a trade deal and ideally free movement, both ways obviously.

Then if we want or they want us to join other aspects such as environment practices, science projects, security etc then we come to an agreement.

Davis the fool wasted a year and a half doing nothing.

But anyway. I’m getting sucked in. There is no way this deal is going anywhere.

 

[Woosh]

All we really need is a trade deal and ideally free movement, both ways obviously.

we need a stable environment while negotiating a trade deal and movement of workers, that's why we have to agree terms with the EU for the transition.

Without the withdrawal deal, foreign investors will pull their money out immediately and won't return until the deal is done.
Our exports to the EU will also be severely affected without the transition.

 

[Woosh]

Today Labour ruled out any support for a hard brexit, resulting in a widespread acceptance that the great majority of the Commons will never approve that outcome.

The opposition can vote down a new law but can't introduce a new law by themselves.
even if there is a majority of MPs supporting a second referendum, only government can introduce new legislation. Even if Labour, tory rebels and all the opposition parties want to stop a WTO brexit, they can't stop it if it is never brought to the HoC by the government.
Opposition parties can vote down May's plan but can't stop the UK falling off the cliff if they continue to oppose May,

 

[Fingers]

The opposition can vote down a new law but can't introduce a new law by themselves.
even if there is a majority of MPs supporting a second referendum, only government can introduce new legislation. Even if Labour, tory rebels and all the opposition parties want to stop a WTO brexit, they can't stop it if it is never brought to the HoC by the government.
Opposition parties can vote down May's plan but can't stop the UK falling off the cliff if they continue to oppose May,

The EU is pretty worried about a Corbyn government and when the deal is vetoed by parliament and a vite of no confidence becomes real I suspect it might change a few things

 

[soundwave]

 

[Deleted member 128]

The opposition can vote down a new law but can't introduce a new law by themselves.
even if there is a majority of MPs supporting a second referendum, only government can introduce new legislation. Even if Labour, tory rebels and all the opposition parties want to stop a WTO brexit, they can't stop it if it is never brought to the HoC by the government.
Opposition parties can vote down May's plan but can't stop the UK falling off the cliff if they continue to oppose May,

There's no Parliamentary majority for a no-deal Brexit, it will never happen.