I suspect that there will be quite a few Trump supporters trying to buy one, they are after all not overburdened with brains.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I'm glad it's not just me who sees it like that. It seems that almost every post by 'Woosh' contains some kind of 'second-best' or 'nearly-as-good' alternative to our current EU membership. It's as if he believes that the 'remain' camp, probably way over half the nation, will be appeased by accepting some bronze-standard deal as a replacement for the gold-standard model that remains extant.
Tom
How tangled is the web they weave
Andrew Neil is supposed to be an even handed interviewer (as if!)
Here he is wearing an Adam Smith Institute Tie
He famously declared the controversy about Sanni's claim of there being a Brexit syndicate to be a fantasy, remember?
Peter JukesVerified account @peterjukes 23h23 hours ago
It’s no longer ‘conspiracist’ nonsense as @afneil called it, but a court admission that the ‘Nine Entities’ around the Tax Payer’s Alliance and @matthew_elliott director the official Leave Campaign are a joint enterprise, funded by dark money, which has undue influence on the BBC
What a coincidence that someone had previously given him an Adam Smith Institute tie, and he has been naive enough to allow the Adam Smith Institute to blazen his name about while wearing it!
Sort of a modern day version of being "hoisted with one's own petard"
Andrew Neil is supposed to be an even handed interviewer (as if!)
Here he is wearing an Adam Smith Institute Tie
He famously declared the controversy about Sanni's claim of there being a Brexit syndicate to be a fantasy, remember?
Peter JukesVerified account @peterjukes 23h23 hours ago
It’s no longer ‘conspiracist’ nonsense as @afneil called it, but a court admission that the ‘Nine Entities’ around the Tax Payer’s Alliance and @matthew_elliott director the official Leave Campaign are a joint enterprise, funded by dark money, which has undue influence on the BBC
What a coincidence that someone had previously given him an Adam Smith Institute tie, and he has been naive enough to allow the Adam Smith Institute to blazen his name about while wearing it!
Sort of a modern day version of being "hoisted with one's own petard"
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Deluded nonsense. The UK was in a continuous decline from the end of WW2 to the 1970s when, having lost our key industries and much of our commerce, we were going broke and had to be rescued by the IMF managing our economy in that decade.
Since then under the EEC and EU we've regrown industry and commerce and have prospered far better.
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Tony at Woosh is a Leaver. Understandably he's been trying to produce arguments that things won't be too bad after leaving, making him a whole lot better than most Leave voters who only chant "We won, you lost" as if that excuses their position.
But of course he can't avoid the fact that whatever deal we get, we will be worse off than if we stayed in, and to be fair he's acknowledged that. His faith is clearly placed on us doing better eventually once trading in the greater world.
Of course those of us who lived through the 30 years of severe decline pre EEC and EU and our utter inability to do anything about it know better. In that decline we lost the world markets because we deserved to, and nothing today is going to change that when outside of the EU.
The decline has already started even before leaving, and once we leave the decline will be continuous, taking the UK down to a far lower position in the world both economically and politically. We will become an irrelevance in a world of major players.
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you can understand that while the UK was the sick man of Europe, voters could see the benefit of joining the EEC but now, half the voters thought the situation has improved enough to pay for independence.
I doubt whether they gave that any thought, if they had, then they came to the wrong conclusion
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Yes I can see that, but can also see how deluded they are. Our improvement is tied to our EU membership, as they'll realise when the car companies start departing. The smaller elements of our EU membership benefit are already leaving.
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I think we would do better by leaving the trade policy to the EU, so keeping membership of the EU customs union is a sensible choice, either via EFTA membership or direct FTA.
Brexit gives us back some control on foreign and defense policy at the same time, stop the USA controlling / influencing the development of the EU's army by using us as a marionette.
I don't agree since we will still suffer from a half in / half out position. Companies hate that and won't invest here with the inherent uncertainties. That's why Nissan and Toyota have already suspended all investment here. So the foreign car companies will still gradually depart as they invest instead in mainland Europe, with their lesser supplying companies doing the same. A return to the decline of the 1950s and 60s.
I want our defence and foreign policy to take a back seat to the EU, restraining our excessive inclination to go to war at any excuse. I see Germany's inclination to diplomatic dealing with Russia as far more productive than our current stupidly aggressive stance.
Outside of the EU we will be even more dependent on the USA and inclined to do their bidding. The USA is in decline whatever Trump and his ilk say, inexorably having it's power and influence gradually lessened by the growth of such as China and India. They aren't even able to effectively oppose today's weakened Russia, left helpless as Putin repeatedly outsmarts them on the World stage. The USA isn't in any sense a wise partner to tie ourselves to.
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Consequences:
Meanwhile,
At least one foodstuff supplier is taking some pre-emptive action:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46191729
Tom
Meanwhile,
At least one foodstuff supplier is taking some pre-emptive action:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46191729
Tom
Today is just like any other day but when one reads some of the sidebar news items, it seems that things are changing in many areas.
For example, there are reports that the US dollar has risen against the Chinese yuan as American sanctions on China begin to bite. Curiously, that first $1Tn company, Apple has seen its shares drop massively just weeks after hitting record highs. It seems sales of their phones isn't as expected!
Here in the UK, the pound has risen marginally against other currencies but unemployment has also risen. More worryingly, another giant consortium, 'Interserve', may be on the verge of going the same way as 'Carillion'.
The maniac in the White House now wants to impose sanctions on France it seems, on account of what he alleges are high tariffs on American wines in France. I'm not sure how that works as France is an EU member so perhaps it is in the maniac's mind to take on all EU nations on the wine issue?
Some of the up-to-date stuff is on these links:
education-46191830
business-46152680
Tom
For example, there are reports that the US dollar has risen against the Chinese yuan as American sanctions on China begin to bite. Curiously, that first $1Tn company, Apple has seen its shares drop massively just weeks after hitting record highs. It seems sales of their phones isn't as expected!
Here in the UK, the pound has risen marginally against other currencies but unemployment has also risen. More worryingly, another giant consortium, 'Interserve', may be on the verge of going the same way as 'Carillion'.
The maniac in the White House now wants to impose sanctions on France it seems, on account of what he alleges are high tariffs on American wines in France. I'm not sure how that works as France is an EU member so perhaps it is in the maniac's mind to take on all EU nations on the wine issue?
Some of the up-to-date stuff is on these links:
education-46191830
business-46152680
Tom
Macron must have really annoyed him!
That is going to go down really well with the US pension funds who have invested heavily in French Chateaux!
Cabinet ministers are being called into No10 to see the PM one by one tonight ahead of full Cabinet meeting tomorrow to sign off Brexit divorce deal.
Surely the £ is rising because there may be some stability at last, not for any other reason. The £ has a long, long way to go before it is back to the value it was before the referendum was first announced. Now the £ is worth 1.30US$ then it was worth 1.53US$. Even last week the £ was worth nearly 1.32US$ so I don't see any great reason for celebration at the moment.
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Well, that's a cause for celebration if you happen to be a multi-millionaire, I suppose.
Of course, it might be just a bit of propaganda!
Tom
BBC lunchtime news just reported wages rising at fastest rate in a decade in 3 months to September. They “forgot” to mention NHS staff, teachers, firefighters & police have all seen huge real term pay cuts & the average real wage is now lower than 10 years ago!
The BBC could have added the truth for the sake of balance but they chose to do their masters' bidding as always.
'The Canary' does a great article on the nonsense from dyed-in-the-wool tory supporters and benefactors about Jeremy Corbyn's anorak:
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/11/13/hold-on-to-your-tinfoil-hats-because-this-latest-corbyn-conspiracy-is-a-big-one/?fbclid=IwAR34Cuv2VaZM_YiF-jTFNCtt7MurSYwFjh1CayJ4B7d4FNv9IZ1nSFesNUA
Tom
The BBC could have added the truth for the sake of balance but they chose to do their masters' bidding as always.
'The Canary' does a great article on the nonsense from dyed-in-the-wool tory supporters and benefactors about Jeremy Corbyn's anorak:
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/11/13/hold-on-to-your-tinfoil-hats-because-this-latest-corbyn-conspiracy-is-a-big-one/?fbclid=IwAR34Cuv2VaZM_YiF-jTFNCtt7MurSYwFjh1CayJ4B7d4FNv9IZ1nSFesNUA
Tom