Brexit, for once some facts.

[Kudoscycles]

One of Theresa May's soundbites is NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL, my wife asked me this morning what deal would be worse than no deal,I struggled to find details that could make a bad deal worse than no deal-members suggestions most welcome.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Used to be in the general area that HS2 is going through in the Chilterns.

It always seemed spectacularly bad PR that everyone in the area was going to have to travel many miles to get onto an HS2 train. Either into London or up to Birmingham. They would probably have worse services northwards than they already have.

In the UK, very high speed trains seem the wrong approach to me. Universal fairly fast trains might have done far more for us. Something like 125 to 150 mph. All electric (including Swansea). Improved track.

Join up St Pancras and Euston stations and cut 30 mins off journey times to the north,its only 500 metres of track. Yet we carve up the countryside,to build HS2, to save 10 mins London to Birmingham. Anyone who travels on the current line knows it is very fast.
KudosDave

 

[oyster]

Join up St Pancras and Euston stations and cut 30 mins off journey times to the north,its only 500 metres of track. Yet we carve up the countryside,to build HS2, to save 10 mins London to Birmingham. Anyone who travels on the current line knows it is very fast.
KudosDave

I do wonder how much of the actual track mileage will be covered at speeds over the current maxima? Obviously, there's 10 km or so at each each just accelerating/decelerating. But the first bit, from London to the going-out-of-London Old Oak Common will surely all be at lower speeds? Could well find that 30% or more of the journey is at unspectacular speeds.

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm the same; I think we all tend to form pre-conceived notions of others - I always imagine that 'Tillson' for example, looks exactly like Robert Falcon Scott!

Tom

I have always wondered why he wears the blue max [emoji3]

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[Kudoscycles]

A Sky Data study conducted from 17-20 August - just before the no-deal papers were published - shows a growing negative shift in opinion about the way the negotiations are going.

Some 69% now believe we will get a bad deal, as opposed to 37% in March this year.

Six out of 10 people think opinion has shifted against Brexit since the referendum and one third of leave voters (37%) think the outcome will be worse than they expected.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

Join up St Pancras and Euston stations and cut 30 mins off journey times to the north,its only 500 metres of track. Yet we carve up the countryside,to build HS2, to save 10 mins London to Birmingham. Anyone who travels on the current line knows it is very fast.
KudosDave

The longest journey begins with a single step. We really do need to get a move on if we are not to be left too hopelessly in the past to ever recover.

I'm reminded of a reactionary boss I once worked for in the early 1950s. On seeing the first bicycle come in with a derailleur he snorted in disgust, saying "Ridiculous, who would ever want more than 3 gears?".
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[oyster]

October no longer deadline for Brexit deal, Lidington admits
PM’s effective deputy says finalising agreement following month would be ‘manageable’

Whenever a deal is done, there still is insufficient time to get everything in place. And that is for end of 2020 - not 29/03/2018.

(Can we bring forward the official exit day by a fortnight? "The Ides of March" has a certain ring to it... Can't think where I have heard it before.)

 

[oldgroaner]

This thread has gone on that long, you probably heard it first on here [emoji3]

October no longer deadline for Brexit deal, Lidington admits
PM’s effective deputy says finalising agreement following month would be ‘manageable’

Whenever a deal is done, there still is insufficient time to get everything in place. And that is for end of 2020 - not 29/03/2018.

(Can we bring forward the official exit day by a fortnight? "The Ides of March" has a certain ring to it... Can't think where I have heard it before.)

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[flecc]

This thread has gone on that long, you probably heard it first on here

Indeed, I posted about the Ides of March in this thread on 15th August 2017.

Link to post
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[oyster]

The longest journey begins with a single step.

Perhaps someone needs to point out:

The bitter struggles of the Long March, which was completed by only about one-tenth of the force that left Jiangxi,

Interpret that tenth as you wish - city of London trading, exports, properly employed people, or even, given the medicines issues, literally.

 

[oyster]

Anyone heard anything about ratifying the Vienna Convention? So far as I am aware, we still have not ratified it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/road-haulage-and-driving-in-the-eu-post-brexit/ratifying-the-1968-vienna-convention

 

[flecc]

Perhaps someone needs to point out:

The bitter struggles of the Long March, which was completed by only about one-tenth of the force that left Jiangxi,

Interpret that tenth as you wish - city of London trading, exports, properly employed people, or even, given the medicines issues, literally.

That's all history though, I was looking into the future, one in which the deprived regions are connected enough to be more successful.

Have a listen to this fascinating 36 minute program about the possibilities for future Wales:

The Dragon Next Door

We need to think bigger and better and stop saying no to advances.
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[oldgroaner]

Indeed, I posted about the Ides of March in this thread on 15th August 2017.

Link to post
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Which brings me to a suitable pin up for Brexit

Senna the Soothsayer from Up Pompei.

Woe! woe! and Thrice Woe!
Or is that Philip Hammond in a Wig?

 

[oldgroaner]

We need to think bigger and better and stop saying no to advances.
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Dr Fox him say
Brits are too concerned about Brexit......if you know what I mean....

 

[Kudoscycles]

They are talking about all the extra customs work for UK to EU trade. In all honesty it is not that much extra work for the shipper....the invoice we raise is different in that it has the commodity codes alongside every line of the invoice...most businesses that ship already to the world outside of the EU have this facility and codes are already loaded into Sage.
The big problem is the receiver,the EU customs will have to calculate the tariff rates and vat for every invoice,dont forget that EU countries have not harmonised their vat rates.
It will be a massive task for the EU customs calculating and collecting the duty prior to releasing the goods...bigger companies will have a deferred duty system in that the duty plus vat is collated and taken from the customers account on a monthly basis,this is the same as already collected on goods coming into the UK from China.
I can see EU customers being put off by having to pay this duty and vat in advance and looking to source locally,it will undoubtably reduce UK to EU trade.
Similarly EU to UK trade will be reciprocally affected,some smaller UK customers will find it hard to cash flow the duty/vat which can be anything from 23% to 60%.
Meat and dairy goods will be most affected with duty rates as high as 35%,I can see traders who buy from say Ireland into the north and visa versa going out of business.
KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

in case of WTO brexit, I think NI will stay in the SM and the border moved to the Irish Sea after the transition.
The DUP will be well upset.

 

[Danidl]

The longest journey begins with a single step. We really do need to get a move on if we are not to be left too hopelessly in the past to ever recover.

I'm reminded of a reactionary boss I once worked for in the early 1950s. On seeing the first bicycle come in with a derailleur he snorted in disgust, saying "Ridiculous, who would ever want more than 3 gears?".
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Obviously not a welsh boss then?

 

[Danidl]

in case of WTO brexit, I think NI will stay in the SM and the border moved to the Irish Sea after the transition.
The DUP will be well upset.

If only. But did not no deal mean no deal?. If NI were to stay within the SM it WOULD be a deal.

 

[flecc]

Obviously not a welsh boss then?

No, he was in fact a Guernsey man. A motorcyclist at heart, his grandson runs the Yamaha World Superbike Team, as well as the old business I worked in which is motorcycles only now.
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[Woosh]

If only. But did not no deal mean no deal?. If NI were to stay within the SM it WOULD be a deal.

no deal = WTO deal. The ERG would not mind that we have up to 2020 to exit the SM / CU and pay £39 billion fees. They want WTO so that their backers get return on their investment in lower or no duty on sugar, wines, coffee, cars, meat etc. and if a future government is run by a Trumpist, then it will be icing on the cake, corporation tax will also be cut to a new low.