Brexit, for once some facts.

anotherkiwi

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It says that gold trading has warped the exports from the UK, you aren't selling as much goods as you think you are because gold trading is huge ATM. (<= see that SW I'm starting to use your abbreviations! Oh damn SW doesn't read the brexit thread...)
 
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Bernard Jenkin said demands for a higher exit payment were not acceptable, Britain was “being dragged into a longer and longer period of uncertainty” with no apparent reward.

maybe it's time the UK should examine and prepare for a no deal brexit.
That will concentrate the mind of people involved with the current negotiation.
 

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Bernard Jenkin said demands for a higher exit payment were not acceptable, Britain was “being dragged into a longer and longer period of uncertainty” with no apparent reward.

maybe it's time the UK should examine and prepare for a no deal brexit.
That will concentrate the mind of people involved with the current negotiation.
Or rather when they cast their lot Leavers / Brexiteers dragged us into "a longer and longer period of uncertainty” with no apparent reward.
 

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Or rather when they cast their lot Leavers / Brexiteers dragged us into "a longer and longer period of uncertainty” with no apparent reward.
are you still blaming people who voted for their choice?
 

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maybe it's time the UK should examine and prepare for a no deal brexit.
I'm not sure what preparation might help should the seeming inevitable happen. It seems to me that the other side in this prolonged game of Poker holds all the aces.

My gut feeling is that I will be, like tens of millions of other citizens, poorer as a result of this nonsensical notion that 'Brexit' will be good for us. Fortunately, I am not poor so I shall survive. As we cannot eat sovereignty, however, the poor are stuffed!

Tom
 
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PeterL

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Clement Attlee, one of our greatest ever political leaders, said this a long time ago:

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What has that to do with Facebook? This article from The Guardian tells us:

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Tom
This is probably as telling

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840343/Waterstones-business-rates-Amazon-tax-booksellers

Sorry about bringing the Express to the table. For those of us operating in a city centre we really do feel the inequalities of such taxation.
 
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I'm not sure what preparation might help should the seeming inevitable happen. It seems to me that the other side in this prolonged game of Poker holds all the aces.
expand the customs and excise booths at our sea ports and airports, get their software upgraded and prepare for a possible run on RBS.
 

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Really? Are you aware of the shambles that Jerusalem is in these days. If ever a hymn needed to be scrapped now as losing all sensible meaning, it's that one. Example:

Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.


If done that would be very much worse than the mess that Brexit has produced.
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PeterL

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Really? Are you aware of the shambles that Jerusalem is in these days. If ever a hymn needed to be scrapped now as losing all sensible meaning, it's that one. Example:

Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.


If done that would be very much worse than the mess that Brexit has produced.
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Perhaps OG and yourself would like to rewrite it?
 
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flecc

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Perhaps OG and yourself would like to rewrite it?
No thanks. I've no objection to the intended sentiments of that hymn, but Jerusalem has never been a place to model our land on.

Living where you do there are many there who would think their county the ideal. ;)

God's own country and all that.
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PeterL

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No thanks. I've no objection to the intended sentiments of that hymn, but Jerusalem has never been a place to model our land on.

Living where you do there are many there who would think their county the ideal. ;)

God's own country and all that.
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You bet there are - in fact it seems the same wherever I go in the world and no more so than on the other thread.
 
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Back on topic. Do you like your cheddar cheese? And perhaps a small glass of Baileys cream liqueur? Maybe you are beyond baby milkfoods?
There is a major article in the Irish times about these three items and their likely effects post Brexit.
Last year Ireland exported 77,660 tons of cheddar to the UK. That's a lot of ploughman's lunches . Milk from all over Ireland is used for cheese production. Cheddar is primarily a UK and Ireland flavour and
the plant used to make cheddar is completely different than for say Emmenthal, the European equivalent
Baileys uses 40,000 cows from 1500 accredited farms on both sides of the border to feed two plants, the biggest of which is in Antrim. But the cream comes primarily from southern farms, which have been accredited.
. If the UK reverts to WTO rates, then these transactions will be greatly hampered with tariffs of 50%.

And what about baby milk. Well the EU has an agreement with China, but the UK does not, so any baby milk products even those using currently produced from milk in the excellent dairy farms in NI cannot be exported. The milk is processed in the south. Because of frauds and deaths due to adulteration in baby milk, the Chinese are very pedantic in checking countries of origin... Who can blame them, and Ireland would not be willing to put this valuable trade at risk.
Brexit hurts both UK and Ireland, in this case you in your palate, us in our pocket.
 
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Back on topic. Do you like your cheddar cheese? And perhaps a small glass of Baileys cream liqueur? Maybe you are beyond baby milkfoods?
There is a major article in the Irish times about these three items and their likely effects post Brexit.
Last year Ireland exported 77,660 tons of cheddar to the UK. That's a lot of ploughman's lunches . Milk from all over Ireland is used for cheese production. Cheddar is primarily a UK and Ireland flavour and
the plant used to make cheddar is completely different than for say Emmenthal, the European equivalent
Baileys uses 40,000 cows from 1500 accredited farms on both sides of the border to feed two plants, the biggest of which is in Antrim. But the cream comes primarily from southern farms, which have been accredited.
. If the UK reverts to WTO rates, then these grades will be greatly hampered with tariffs of 50%.
And what about baby milk. Well the EU has an agreement with China, but the UK does not, so any baby milk products even those using currently produced from milk in the excellent dairy farms in NI cannot be exported. The milk is processed in the south.
Brexit hurts both UK and Ireland, in this case you in your palate, us in our pocket.
There I was, thinking that under EU rules Chedder cheese could only be made in Chedder.

Let me add to that having read this http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/irish-cheddar-cheese-amongst-brexits-first-victims-35610371.html

Good reason to get behind the UK with its negotiations?

He said 60pc of Irish Cheddar exports currently go to the UK.

"Nobody else eats Cheddar. It can't be diverted off to France," he warned.
 
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