Not all wages, people working in services have been left behind. In Germany you have hairdressers, for example, who can't pay their rent. Workers in industry have powerful unions (remember those?) behind them and are reaping all the benefits.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Same as the UK, we still have some powerful unions and high wages resulting.
And we're champions at paying people nowhere near enough to live on, it's why we have so many food banks.
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Solar thermal water heating works fairly poorly unless the sun casts a shadow, in my experience. This is true for the flat plate collectors, the vacuum tube types might behave better under cloudy conditions. But it is a no brainer 100% of bath shower heating water for the months from may into late September and varying levels of assistance for the rest of the year.
It's a real set and forget technology. I just look at the water levels and maybe top up with antifreeze every 2 to 3 years. It's also fail safe.. if the temperature gets excessive. And my panels have got to 107 degrees , the pressure relief will vent steam, and if there is insufficient water remaining, it will just stop Syphoning and go quiescent until topped up. The panel might heat up to 200 degree Celsius, but since it's basically a strip of copper and copper piping, no problem
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But that word has an L of a difference, in fact two LLs of a difference.
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I was tempted to say filling Zeppelins with hydrogen then painting the skin with inflammable and conductive paint!
ER, where is this "Britain" exactly?But I did say in Britain, not London, which we all know is a completely different place.
Note the friendly London smile!
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Britain is England and Wales.
Great Britain is England, Wales and Scotland.
The United Kingdom is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The Isle of Man, Channel islands, Virgin Islands etc are none of those but are Crown Protectorates.
And London just does its own thing.
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Which does raise the obvious question, why do17 million brits who have been part of a (it must be said often very corrupt) heterogenous union find being part of a much more constitutional legal civilised heterogenous union (EU) so difficult? I imagine it's some form of Stockholm syndrome. If juncker did something blatantly corrupt, like may buying dup votes and jeopardising a peace process, I bet they'll feel right at home and want to rejoin.
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Reading about the latest moves the Government are making away from the notion of a "Hard Brexit" in the direction of the "Norway" option make you realise that these clueless clowns are heading towards another remarkable feat
Not merely disappointing 48% of the Remain Voters, but 100% of the population even including the 70% who didn't vote in the referendum.
This could well be the first time any British Government has done anything with such complete efficiency.
For after all, no one at all is actually saying that this choice is better or even equal to the situation we are already in as EU members, or even offers any medium or long term improvements.
We keep some of the goodies if we bow the knee and doff the cap, and pay,
reduced to subservience where once we were partners.
It is simply a desperate measure to keep the leaking lifeboat afloat by baling it out without attempting to repair any of the holes.
There is one big positive plus in all this,is for the EU itself, for by removing ourselves we are hastening the formation of the United States of Europe, the down side from our point of view is that it may well turn out not merely to be unfriendly, but armed too, and to a level of strength and efficiency where we are woefully outmatched.
The very situation we fought against for the last 300 years, and all achieved by no one but our own foolish selves.
"The only thing you learn from History
Is that you don't learn from History"
Not merely disappointing 48% of the Remain Voters, but 100% of the population even including the 70% who didn't vote in the referendum.
This could well be the first time any British Government has done anything with such complete efficiency.
For after all, no one at all is actually saying that this choice is better or even equal to the situation we are already in as EU members, or even offers any medium or long term improvements.
We keep some of the goodies if we bow the knee and doff the cap, and pay,
reduced to subservience where once we were partners.
It is simply a desperate measure to keep the leaking lifeboat afloat by baling it out without attempting to repair any of the holes.
There is one big positive plus in all this,is for the EU itself, for by removing ourselves we are hastening the formation of the United States of Europe, the down side from our point of view is that it may well turn out not merely to be unfriendly, but armed too, and to a level of strength and efficiency where we are woefully outmatched.
The very situation we fought against for the last 300 years, and all achieved by no one but our own foolish selves.
"The only thing you learn from History
Is that you don't learn from History"
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you may be wrong here OG.
https://www.brugesgroup.com/alternatives-to-the-eu/42-issues/alternatives-to-the-eu/61-71-said-they-would-prefer-britain-to-leave-the-eu-and-join-efta
it seems that if there is another referendum, more voters would choose EFTA over the EU.
Which proves nothing, does it? it like say because the public have been poisoned by lies against a good idea clutching a worse one is better than nothing.
We left that arrangement in the first place as the EEC was obviously of far greater advantage.
If politicians chose to they would soon put the poison in with the Public over the EFTA too.
By the way
The opinion poll was carried out by Survation on 3rd July 2013, with 1,085 respondents, with a 3% margin of error.
that was the right choice then, the EEC suited us better.
The world moves on, EFTA is now a better overall choice for our current situation.
A lot of voters are concerned with refugees, the EU army, fiscal union, universal income that the EU is dealing with. We are not ready for any of it.
Ask yourself why more people trust the tories to handle brexit than any other party. People tend to vote selfishly.
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That anyone could or would by this time is little short of astonishing, don't you think?
The only things they can be relied upon to do are a short list of the seven deadly sins!
"Trust the Tories" er no.
You would get more reliable action if you took the advice of a Ouija Board
Hang on, that could well be what they are doing
I take that back!
if any consolation, only 29% voters trust the tories.
this is because even far fewer people trust labour and/or JC.
Who can blame them? by now 29% is hardly to be thought likely to last much longer as each new little "gem" of a Brexit "U" turn is revealed.
Here is a conundrum for you, people are "afraid of the Europeans Forming an Army"
By what logic does leaving the EU and ensuring that it could possibly be used against us strike as logical? rather than we are part of it?
Making an adversary of a powerful ally makes Strategic Good sense?
Frankly that is Stupid, nothing more, nothing less.
By what logic does leaving the EU and ensuring that it could possibly be used against us strike as logical? rather than we are part of it?
Making an adversary of a powerful ally makes Strategic Good sense?
Frankly that is Stupid, nothing more, nothing less.
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I actually welcome an EU army. For too long, Europe is piggy in the middle, between two warring nuclear super powers. I don't feel safe because both have had volatile presidents with fingers on the button.
I also welcome refugees, fiscal union and universal income.
But I don't think we are ready for any of these things.
I also welcome refugees, fiscal union and universal income.
But I don't think we are ready for any of these things.
Guess what... PM is not understanding how things work shocker.
"Former ECJ judge: Theresa May's pledge to end all ECJ jurisdiction 'shows just how ignorant she is'"
http://uk.businessinsider.com/former-ecj-judge-mays-pledge-to-end-ecj-rule-shows-how-ignorant-she-is-2017-8
Sir David Edward, who was an ECJ judge for 12 years, told BI this week that the prime minister's determination to cut all ties with the ECJ suggests she doesn't fully understand how the Luxembourg-based court actually works.
"It just shows how ignorant she is. She said it again today [Wednesday]," Sir David said, referring to Prime Minister May's insistence that Britain will fully leave the ECJ's jurisdiction when it leaves the EU in March 2019.
"To end UK jurisdiction is simply to say we are not going to obey EU law anymore. Well, this is fine, as long as British business chooses to operate entirely inside the UK."
He added: "If a business manufacturing goods in the UK wants to export goods to the EU, as hundreds of them do, then those goods must comply with EU standards. As a practical matter, if you're manufacturing wedding cakes, for example, and you have to comply with EU food standards, you don't want to have to create two sets of wedding cake. You want to create one set to come off the production line so the cakes can be consumed both in the UK and the EU.
"In that sense, the EU law will continue to apply in the sense that people will have to obey it. We cannot escape the jurisdiction of the ECJ."
"Former ECJ judge: Theresa May's pledge to end all ECJ jurisdiction 'shows just how ignorant she is'"
http://uk.businessinsider.com/former-ecj-judge-mays-pledge-to-end-ecj-rule-shows-how-ignorant-she-is-2017-8
Sir David Edward, who was an ECJ judge for 12 years, told BI this week that the prime minister's determination to cut all ties with the ECJ suggests she doesn't fully understand how the Luxembourg-based court actually works.
"It just shows how ignorant she is. She said it again today [Wednesday]," Sir David said, referring to Prime Minister May's insistence that Britain will fully leave the ECJ's jurisdiction when it leaves the EU in March 2019.
"To end UK jurisdiction is simply to say we are not going to obey EU law anymore. Well, this is fine, as long as British business chooses to operate entirely inside the UK."
He added: "If a business manufacturing goods in the UK wants to export goods to the EU, as hundreds of them do, then those goods must comply with EU standards. As a practical matter, if you're manufacturing wedding cakes, for example, and you have to comply with EU food standards, you don't want to have to create two sets of wedding cake. You want to create one set to come off the production line so the cakes can be consumed both in the UK and the EU.
"In that sense, the EU law will continue to apply in the sense that people will have to obey it. We cannot escape the jurisdiction of the ECJ."