Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Whether one voted to leave or remain, we are now way beyond that point.

We will be leaving the EU and we need to pull together, not against each other to ensure we get the best exit deal.

And just how do you suggest that is to be accomplished? you and I are not going to be consulted are we?

Surely you are not suggesting we wholeheartedly support TM, a person who has an unbroken track record of failure behind her simply because she is effectively a Dictator?

In other words you are suggesting that we switch off our brains and smile sweetly as an idiot gets the country into big trouble?

Not very Patriotic is it?

 

[Lister]

Oh well,you certainly chose the right name.

 

[Wicky]

Yes, some good points.

I still think support for BREXIT is alive and well, but if May doesn't make a good job of it, there is likely to be trouble in the form of civil unrest.

I think the outcome of BREXIT will be good, so don't see the above as a likely scenario.

Well the chancellor will have to keep pulling rabbits of out his hat for 2, 5 10 years, to keep buying folk off till things get 'better' and that's on top of the austerity programme from 2010 to whenever, cuts in NHS & schools and more referalls to food banks - and at some point there'll have to be a general election to muddy waters or martial law...

 

[oldgroaner]

it's worth recapping at this point
Why did the public vote to leave the EU, and what remains of the leave promises?

Rather than have me spell it out I invite someone who voted for leave to explain what remains of the promises that were made, and to provide something more than a mere hope to support the argument.
Any takers?

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh well,you certainly chose the right name.

Is that really all you can come up with in response? do try a little harder.

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes, some good points.

I still think support for BREXIT is alive and well, but if May doesn't make a good job of it, there is likely to be trouble in the form of civil unrest.

I think the outcome of BREXIT will be good, so don't see the above as a likely scenario.

Good, tillson? how exactly?

 

[RobF]

Groaner,

Calm down.

Hysterical post after post after post.

If you have any points, they are lost amongst the bluster.

All we are doing is leaving a bloated treaty organisation which has an inflated sense of its own importance.

In five years' time it won't make a lot of difference one way or the other.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Good, tillson? how exactly?

Put yourself in the position of a poor family in the north. What are their expectations from Brexit?
What has Hammond/May in the pipeline post Brexit to satisfy those expectations?
But if it isn't working for them they have no way to advise they are unhappy,except maybe civil unrest
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Groaner,

Calm down.

Hysterical post after post after post.

If you have any points, they are lost amongst the bluster.

All we are doing is leaving a bloated treaty organisation which has an inflated sense of its own importance.

In five years' time it won't make a lot of difference one way or the other.

Do you think man from Huddersfield is going to wait 5 years?
KudosDave

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

In five years' time it won't make a lot of difference one way or the other.

There are a lot of experts, in a lot of fields who would disagree with your optimistic view on this.

 

[oldtom]

In the run-up to the EU referendum, Mrs Mayhem positioned herself as a remainer:






Under this tory government, this happened, (from Private Eye):




If this government remains in office much longer, this is what will happen:




Nobody should be amused by this!

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Groaner,

Calm down.

Hysterical post after post after post.

If you have any points, they are lost amongst the bluster.

All we are doing is leaving a bloated treaty organisation which has an inflated sense of its own importance.

In five years' time it won't make a lot of difference one way or the other.

Sorry but that is simply nonsense, all of my posts are based on either solid facts or reliable evidence, none are ever hysterical, and trying as you are to denigrate them reflects on you, not me.
Do give up, it fails to impress and should be beneath you.
Nor am I gven to bluster, which I see you are attempting to do with the last post.
And frankly where in your imagination did you come up with the idea I am not calm?
Touch of wishful thinking there perhaps?
We are leaving an organisation that even with all it's faults is far superior in every way to the crude and parochial Parliamentary system in this country.
Perhaps the fact that it is too interested in the mass of the people rather than an Elite minority doesn't appeal to you?

A tip for you. leave sarcasm alone, it's not something you can't handle.
putting your mind to constructing a well though through argument with something more than "I wish" behind it in favour of Brexit is what you should be aiming to achieve.

 

[oldgroaner]

In the run-up to the EU referendum, Mrs Mayhem positioned herself as a remainer:

View attachment 17935




Under this tory government, this happened, (from Private Eye):

View attachment 17936


If this government remains in office much longer, this is what will happen:

View attachment 17937


Nobody should be amused by this!

Tom

Fake News they cry! Fake news!
But then what can you expect? they do so hate to be found out for what they really are.

 

[RobF]

There are a lot of experts, in a lot of fields who would disagree with your optimistic view on this.

It will take five years to judge the impact of Brexit, by which time it will be impossible to do so in isolation.

Many other factors will come into play.

Thus if we are in a mess, Remainers will say told you so, Brexiteers will say it would have been worse if we stayed in.

If we are doing well, Remainers will say we would have been doing better still in, Brexiteers will say we wouldn't have been doing as well had he not left.

 

[RobF]

A tip for you. leave sarcasm alone, it's not something you can't handle.
putting your mind to constructing a well though through argument with something more than "I wish" behind it in favour of Brexit is what you should be aiming to achieve.

A tip for you - take a step back.

Your posts are hysterical in their tone and volume.

You are in no position to judge that.

Kid yourself all you like, but anyone bored enough to read this thread will put 'oldgroaner' down as a sad, single issue obsessed loony.

And that's just those who support Remain.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

It will take five years to judge the impact of Brexit, by which time it will be impossible to do so in isolation.

Many other factors will come into play.

Thus if we are in a mess, Remainers will say told you so, Brexiteers will say it would have been worse if we stayed in.

If we are doing well, Remainers will say we would have been doing better still in, Brexiteers will say we wouldn't have been doing as well had he not left.

So what if the EU, and Germany continue to grow as economies (which they including us now all are) and in 5 years ... we're not... the poor are worse of, the funding for the NHS is worse, our universities aren't getting as many over seas applicants, companies have moved their European HQ's from the UK onto the mainland etc etc etc. Is there anyway, Brexiteer's will be able to say that Brexit wasn't responsible for this possible scenario?

 

[oldgroaner]

A tip for you - take a step back.

Your posts are hysterical in their tone and volume.

You are in no position to judge that.

Kid yourself all you like, but anyone bored enough to read this thread will put 'oldgroaner' down as a sad, single issue obsessed loony.

And that's just those who support Remain.

You are wasting time with this nonsense and are simply hedging to cover the fact you have no cogent argument in favour of brexit,
And you are certainly in no position on that basis to criticise me personally

Standard ploy of the brexit voters when called to account, employ a personal attack.
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[flecc]

It will take five years to judge the impact of Brexit, by which time it will be impossible to do so in isolation.

Many other factors will come into play.

Thus if we are in a mess, Remainers will say told you so, Brexiteers will say it would have been worse if we stayed in.

If we are doing well, Remainers will say we would have been doing better still in, Brexiteers will say we wouldn't have been doing as well had he not left.

Too complicated a set of conclusions Rob.

The reality will be what it's always been, that the electorate as a whole will be dissatisfied, whatever the outcome.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

It will take five years to judge the impact of Brexit, by which time it will be impossible to do so in isolation.

Many other factors will come into play.

Thus if we are in a mess, Remainers will say told you so, Brexiteers will say it would have been worse if we stayed in.

If we are doing well, Remainers will say we would have been doing better still in, Brexiteers will say we wouldn't have been doing as well had he not left.

So you have still no argument to offer in favour of brexit just platitudes?

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[KTM Bike Industries UK]

We're not even 5 year in...

who or what do you think people in the poorest regions of the UK are going to blame this on?

Leavers / Remainers... they are all going to blame the same thing, Brexit.

https://www.businesscornwall.co.uk/news-by-industry/public-sector-news-categories/2017/02/council-shock-at-growth-deal-announcement/