Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

A little humour on the logic of a Brexit voter
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Diesel scrappage scheme - Why your car could soon be BANNED and what it means for you
Government officials are keen for diesel cars to be removed from British roads by 2030.
A pilot scheme is set to take place in the most-polluted areas of the UK such as London before being implemented nationwide.
So what do the genius readers of the Express have to say?
"By all means get rid of these noxious,polluting,mainly European built cars which the EU have conned people into buying,but please don't ask me to foot the bill for other people's crazy ideas."

"No doubt that this is an EU directive. This won't be implemented. We're leaving and the EU can shove it up Jean-Claude Drunkard's backside.."
And three idiots in a row
"What will happen to these scrapped diesels?"
"Given to immigrants!"
"To be used, tax and insurance free, until they get used as crash for cash. Plod not interested"

I wonder how you get cash for crash when driving without insurance?

 

[oldtom]

As consecutive governments have contrived to mess up the vehicle taxation scheme, costing a huge loss to the exchequer, that has to be retrieved somehow. Increasing income tax is never popular with the voting public, so it will be the turn of the diesel vehicle to become the pariah of the British automobile world.

The process for bringing about change will be to manifestly exaggerate the danger posed by diesel vehicles when the truth is that they have become cleaner virtually year after year, (thanks to EU legislation), for as long as I can remember. The softening up process has already begun with the threat of a ban already mooted so the public won't complain too strongly when heavy and repeated increases in taxation of diesel-engined vehicles becomes the norm. No doubt, big business will be granted some kind of relief.

The nasty bit will be that with the resultant increase in both petrol-engined vehicles, electric and hybrids will also come an increase in the price of petrol and in electricity.

The even nastier part is that the pot-holes still won't be repaired any quicker!

If this all sounds like nonsense, then it will fit seamlessly with previous nonsensical and cynical government policies on tax collection. Sadly, I cannot commend it to this house!

Tom

 

[mike killay]

As consecutive governments have contrived to mess up the vehicle taxation scheme, costing a huge loss to the exchequer, that has to be retrieved somehow. Increasing income tax is never popular with the voting public, so it will be the turn of the diesel vehicle to become the pariah of the British automobile world.

The process for bringing about change will be to manifestly exaggerate the danger posed by diesel vehicles when the truth is that they have become cleaner virtually year after year, (thanks to EU legislation), for as long as I can remember. The softening up process has already begun with the threat of a ban already mooted so the public won't complain too strongly when heavy and repeated increases in taxation of diesel-engined vehicles becomes the norm. No doubt, big business will be granted some kind of relief.

The nasty bit will be that with the resultant increase in both petrol-engined vehicles, electric and hybrids will also come an increase in the price of petrol and in electricity.

The even nastier part is that the pot-holes still won't be repaired any quicker!

If this all sounds like nonsense, then it will fit seamlessly with previous nonsensical and cynical government policies on tax collection. Sadly, I cannot commend it to this house!

Tom

Must take more tablets, I agree with Oldtom

 

[flecc]

Particulates from diesels engines have long been recognised as the major element in breaching pollution limits in cities, particularly bad in congested roads in the largest cities. Cyclists as well as pedestrians are most at risk on those roads.

In London the taxis are first to be targeted for major change, all new taxis registered for use from January 2018 will have to operate in zero emission mode in the peak congested zones, meaning hybrids or full electric vehicles. The same rules will gradually overtake all London taxis. Meanwhile there is a campaign being conducted to make taxi drivers switch off when found parked with engines idling.

London's new design Routemaster buses are hybrids now to minimise their polution, and we also have some Mercedes hydrogen buses.

Commercial vehicles are already subject to low emission zone exclusions for all but the cleanest new models, while as reported above, the general aim is to eliminate diesel in private cars.

The adoption of diesel in private cars was undoubtedly a very big mistake which is now regretted, and there was a European element in that adoption. It was the French who pioneered diesel in cars, with Germany quick to follow, the UK tagging on later. The eventual solution to the congested city pollution will be hybrids and to a lesser extent all-electric cars, meanwhile it's proposed to greatly extend the low emission zone to keep dirtier vehicles out.
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[oldgroaner]

Must take more tablets, I agree with Oldtom

Me too, can I have the ones with an aniseed flavour?

 

[Danidl]

yes, but all those who can afford it, will have scarpered, leaving a lovely island for those trapped here.

.... Promise?

 

[oldgroaner]

Particulates from diesels engines have long been recognised as the major element in breaching pollution limits in cities, particularly bad in congested roads in the largest cities. Cyclists as well as pedestrians are most at risk on those roads.

In London the taxis are first to be targeted for major change, all new taxis registered for use from January 2018 will have to operate in zero emission mode in the peak congested zones, meaning hybrids or full electric vehicles. The same rules will gradually overtake all London taxis. Meanwhile there is a campaign being conducted to make taxi drivers switch off when found parked with engines idling.

Commercial vehicles are already subject to low emission zone exclusions for all but the cleanest new models, while as reported above, the general aim is to eliminate diesel in private cars.

The adoption of diesel in private cars was undoubtedly a very big mistake which is now regretted, and there was a European element in that adoption. It was the French who pioneered diesel in cars, with Germany quick to follow, the UK tagging on later. The eventual solution to the congested city pollution will be hybrids and to a lesser extent all-electric cars, meanwhile it's proposed to greatly extend the low emission zone to keep dirtier vehicles out.
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The fly in the ointment of choosing one kind of internal combustion engine over another is that the latest petrol powered engines seem to have particulate problems too, hybrids are also problematic on battery recycling, and electric cars on recycling range, and charging times and places.
Why doesn't someone invent
Electric cars that draw power from the road surface?

 

[oldgroaner]

Expanding on that last post I suggest you watch this lecture on Wireless technology and imagine it initially embedded in an Electric car and positions under the road where the car may be at rest long enough to accept a useful charge, but in the fullness of time a vast network of transmitters embedded under every highway that are triggered by a Sat Nav signal triggered by your car as they pass over the locations of the transmitters?
In that way you would enjoy unlimited range with far smaller onboard batteries as they do not need to have the capacity for longer than short journeys.

And you can thank Nicola Tesla for the original concept.
Here is the lecture (it wont embed as media alas)
https://www.ted.com/talks/eric_giler_demos_wireless_electricity
Your thoughts? here are some from me.
Applying a little imagination it would be possible to have the transmitters on overhead gantries to increase the range by automatically identifying and tracking a vehicle passing under it from a signal emanating from the vehicle engine management system so that power could be transmitted to the car as it passed though an arc under the power supplying gantry.
Assuming of course you can achieve a longer range, otherwise the under the road route would be best.

If you drive on the M25 as much as I used to you would have problems with the Battery overcharging!

 

[gray198]

The fly in the ointment of choosing one kind of internal combustion engine over another is that the latest petrol powered engines seem to have particulate problems too, hybrids are also problematic on battery recycling, and electric cars on recycling range, and charging times and places.
Why doesn't someone invent
Electric cars that draw power from the road surface?

what about the system they have on some trains in Japan. You know that floating magnetic thingy

 

[tillson]

As consecutive governments have contrived to mess up the vehicle taxation scheme, costing a huge loss to the exchequer, that has to be retrieved somehow. Increasing income tax is never popular with the voting public, so it will be the turn of the diesel vehicle to become the pariah of the British automobile world.

The process for bringing about change will be to manifestly exaggerate the danger posed by diesel vehicles when the truth is that they have become cleaner virtually year after year, (thanks to EU legislation), for as long as I can remember. The softening up process has already begun with the threat of a ban already mooted so the public won't complain too strongly when heavy and repeated increases in taxation of diesel-engined vehicles becomes the norm. No doubt, big business will be granted some kind of relief.

The nasty bit will be that with the resultant increase in both petrol-engined vehicles, electric and hybrids will also come an increase in the price of petrol and in electricity.

The even nastier part is that the pot-holes still won't be repaired any quicker!

If this all sounds like nonsense, then it will fit seamlessly with previous nonsensical and cynical government policies on tax collection. Sadly, I cannot commend it to this house!

Tom

Jesus Christ! You've written something that I agree with.

 

[oldgroaner]

Jesus Christ! You've written something that I agree with.

Is this the end of the Thread as we know it today?

 

[oldgroaner]

what about the system they have on some trains in Japan. You know that floating magnetic thingy

See my post and the video link, there is hope there!

 

[oldgroaner]

Jesus Christ! You've written something that I agree with.

There is a Father Christmas after all!

 

[flecc]

The fly in the ointment of choosing one kind of internal combustion engine over another is that the latest petrol powered engines seem to have particulate problems too,

But much less bad than diesels, and when used in hybrids do greatly reduce airborn pollution in comparison with diesel, which is the big health problem.

hybrids are also problematic on battery recycling, and electric cars on recycling range, and charging times and places.

Indeed, but as said not a health problem. They are just premature inventions, hopefully given time the battery solutions will evolve

Why doesn't someone invent Electric cars that draw power from the road surface?

The problem is inefficiency, the transfer rate suffers the airspace gap and current airgaps under vehicles are much too large. But of course the gap is necessary for road use.

Some bus designs have solved the problem by settling down at stops to give close contact between the road and bus transfer coils for burst charging. So far the most successful implementation of that form of current transfer has been in high-speed-flywheel driven buses in Switzerland. At stops the bus settles and the motorised flywheel is driven up to very high revs, the energy stored in the flywheel then drives the bus to the next stop. No battery necessary.
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[flecc]

what about the system they have on some trains in Japan. You know that floating magnetic thingy

Magnetic levitation is best suited to high speed travel, not so good when low and constantly variable speeds and precision vehicle placing are concerned.
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[oldgroaner]

But much less bad that diesels, and when used in hybrids do greatly reduce airborn pollution in comparison with diesel, which is the big health problem.



Indeed, but as said not a health problem. They are just premature inventions, hopefully given time the battery solutions will evolve



The problem is inefficiency, the transfer rate suffers the airspace gap and current airgaps under vehicles are much too large. But of course the gap is necessary for road use.

Some bus designs have solved the problem by settling down at stops to give close contact between the road and bus transfer coils for burst charging. So far the most successful implementation of that form of current transfer has been in high-speed-flywheel driven buses in Switzerland. At stops the bus settles and the motorised flywheel is driven up to very high revs, the energy stored in the flywheel then drives the bus to the next stop. No battery necessary.
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placing the receiver coils inside the vehicle tyres would eliminate any air gap problems

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[Zlatan]

The diesel emissions fiasco is probably most scandalous in transport history.
Firstly the dpf ( diesel particulate filter) does not remove the tiny particles damaging to human lungs. An engineer friend insists millions have been spent ( by consumers) on them and all they do is make engine quieter.
Secondly, years ago manufacturers approached governing bodies explaining they could never meet Euro iv...a few years later miraculously they can meet Euro v; Euro Vi and even Euro Vii...
Everybody in industry knew full well cars are runninng cheat software..yet EU ignored it, took USA to point issue out. Its still going on...
And all that is before we get onto NOx. ...the really dangerous stuff....produced when combustion takes place at high temp and low fuel ( lean ratios). Effectively engine tries to burn nitrogen...Again known about for years yet in their infinite wisdom it was virtually ignored and tax classes set on CO2 , about the healthiest gas coming out..
But world would come to a standstill at moment without diesel engines !!!
We,ve all been conned but gone along with it because diesels are almost the holy grail of automotive propulsion.
An XF 3.0d will out accelerate * (quite easily) an E type. Give a top speed of 150 mph, and return 45mpg..( not at same time)
And because of tax fiasco cost under £200 a year to tax...Its suffocating our kids but that's EU for you ! ( or is it manufacturers?)


Tom..Credit where its due...good post.

 

[flecc]

placing the receiver coils inside the vehicle tyres would eliminate any air gap problems

But at the cost of a very restricted contact area so inefficient. If moulded into the tyre rubber they could also be a major problem with lightning strike, albeit very rare.

Regardless of how often it's idea is promoted, current transfer coil to coil is relatively inefficient and demands a very small airgap and substantial area of transfer. The knowledge of this method is very old, but the problems are why the practical applications seen so far are just those I mentioned above.
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[mike killay]

placing the receiver coils inside the vehicle tyres would eliminate any air gap problems

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That IS original thinking!

 

[flecc]

We,ve all been conned but gone along with it because diesels are almost the holy grail of automotive propulsion.

Not quite all of us, I've always point blank refused to own or drive any diesel car. When one employer tried to change the company cars to diesel I gave an ultimatum, petrol for me or I leave, and I meant it. They gave in and I got a petrol Cavalier SRI instead, but all the others still got diesel.
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