Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Trump hasn't started well,he is incredibly thin skinned but with a giant ego,not a good combination as a President.
He and his spokesman seem besotted with the number of people who attended his inaugeration ,he has gone on the attack against his own in-house media and totally ignored the 2 million who marched in protest against him. I don't remember in the past any protest against a new president in the US.
It seems he cannot cope with criticism and ignores anyone who doesn't agree with him,the look on the face of the boss of the CIA said it all,he thought him an idiot,he should have praised the CIA not argued with the media.
Not a good start,Theresa May will be ok with him,she will ignore his attitudes because she needs a friend,she hasn't many elsewhere.
KudosDave
This is where Davis will make the famous line from Dad's army make a comeback as here
Davis; "I want you to know Mrs May I still have absolute faith in you"
TM; "Thank you for your steadfast support, Davis"
Davis;"Even if nobody else does..."

And of course the old Grouch chestnut fits well too

He May look like an idiot
And talk like an idiot,
But don't let that fool you.
He really is an idiot!
 
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oldtom

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May cannot interview 'on the hoof' everything has to be programmed in advance,so that she can defend by her practised rhetoric,she got caught out....damage limitation needed. This is what worries me about May and Brexit,she cannot be flexible,she is blinkered
Promoted way above her abilities! That becomes increasingly clear the longer she is in office. One could ask, 'Why was given the job?' Sadly, the answer is, quite simply, that all her parliamentary colleagues with a glimmer of intelligence didn't want the job as they knew what was coming. Only, a handful of idiots threw their hats in the ring after Ca-moron decided to jump ship.

Even now, she seems determined to proceed with the nonsense that is 'Brexit' in the hope that, by some miracle, the country survives the experience sufficiently well to allow a tory government to win a podium position at the next election.

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oldtom

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What kind of things do fascist governments do that large numbers of people don't want, don't like and discover to their cost that they can't do anything about?

Well, here's an example to watch out for but you can actually do something - become an activist and work towards ridding the country of fascists and encouraging decent people to vote for socialism, human decency, dignity and respect for your fellow man.

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/01/22/everybody-who-wanted-to-take-back-control-when-they-voted-leave-must-be-feeling-sick-now/

Thanks to 'Vox Political' for drawing attention to something the Murdoch media empire and the BBC won't tell you....oh, and if you're too young to remember the 20th century fascists and what they did to ordinary people through the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s, I refer you once again to the words of a famous German, Martin Niemöller. This is what he said about a fascist government and people who do nothing to challenge them:

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Tom
 

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Just talked with my daughter, back from WEF17, quite depressed about the state of the world at the moment.

bbc newsnight has made this video:

Interesting
But I think trump or any other figure head has little or no actual sway
On what goes on in the world
The worst he can do is keep airing his dirty laundry on Twitter and **** someone off enough to start a battle of wills
It's the money people running the world with all the sway
 
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It's the money people running the world with all the sway
True enough. WEF17 pretends to understand but does not have any answer to Mr Trump's politics.
 
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Massive inflation? Probably not. The weaker Pound costs us about £90 billion more in imports a year compared to pre-referendum, that is about 3% this year and 3% next year when brexit happens.
Mr G Soros reckons we will have some kind of a deal to avoid the cliff edge (that is we are out but without much change). So it's a case of suck it and see.
I'm just picking up on this, because I'm starting to realise why you think some of the professional (expert) predictions might be over inflated (excuse the pun)

Your suggesting the 3% increase based on this simple sum looking at the weather £.

However the retail price of stuff is effected by a host of other things, not just the change in the actual price of the product.

For instance, we've seen KTM's rise because of the change in the value of the £. This is the simple bit you've described above.

The problem is that everything else we do as a business has also gone up, this includes everything from fuel in the reps cars, coffee in the office, courier fees because we pay a fuel surcharge etc etc etc etc etc etc. So the rise on the cost of the goods might be x%, but the rise in the RRP has to be x+y% to ensure that any business is still profitable and can afford to pay its staff and maintain profit margins. If any business has to then export its profits back out of the UK to its HQ on the mainland, like lets say Nestle, they'll be hit exchanged the £s profits back to €, so they again suffer.
 
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oldgroaner

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it will be in our control though.
Won't it?
How can it be? either we have an agreement with them (and it isn't) or we don't and only then is it under our control.
At best we have some influence over it, that's all.
And it wont suit the Brexit Voters to swap one agreement with another.
 
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I see Mrs May is meeting with President Trump on Friday.
She'd better wear two pairs of stout pants just to be safe.
She isn't his type - eastern European super model 30 years younger than him.
 
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I'm just picking up on this, because I'm starting to realise why you think some of the professional (expert) predictions might be over inflated (excuse the pun)

Your suggesting the 3% increase based on this simple sum looking at the weather £.

However the retail price of stuff is effected by a host of other things, not just the change in the actual price of the product.

For instance, we've seen KTM's rise because of the change in the value of the £. This is the simple bit you've described above.

The problem is that everything else we do as a business has also gone up, this includes everything from fuel in the reps cars, coffee in the office, courier fees because we pay a fuel surcharge etc etc etc etc etc etc. So the rise on the cost of the goods might be x%, but the rise in the RRP has to be x+y% to ensure that any business is still profitable and can afford to pay its staff and maintain profit margins. If any business has to then export its profits back out of the UK to its HQ on the mainland, like lets say Nestle, they'll be hit exchanged the £s profits back to €, so they again suffer.
The 3% is an average. Some prices will come down while prices of bikes will get the full hit of the weaker Pound.
The Pound got hit about 6 months ago, so we paid roughly £45 billions more for our imported goods in that time. £45b / 2 * £1,950 billions, that's 2.2% of GDP over two years (it takes that long to go through), estimated inflation should be 1.1% plus base, not far from the ONS 1.6% reported for December.
 

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From the independent
"
Government 'tried to bury' its own alarming report on climate change
Exclusive: The five-yearly assessment of what will happen to the UK as the world warms says one of an array of potential threats is the ‘significant risk’ to supplies of food"

Mr Trump will be pleased with TM for doing that, won't he?

Ahh, the joys of Brexit, more of this sort of logic to come too!
 
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oldgroaner

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I see that Mrs May is proposing to spend over £500 million pounds on creating new infrastructure, etc';
Pity that that small an amount won't even fill the potholes in the road never mind build anything new!

This headline from "This is money" puts the figure into perspective
"Fixing all the potholes would take councils 14 YEARS and £11.8bn - and they cost motorists £684m in repairs every year in the meantime.

Another of those joys of Brexit, as we can be sure the Government will fix it can't we?

Sorry for being sarcastic, of course they will........possibly
 
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