There are many others similar but remember it is the EU being agressive, not the good old UK, you are the good guys...
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Yes, it won't take long before our behavior starts to get noticed on mainland Europe and we start finding we loose the EU citizens here who work and contribute, and we get back all the "expats" we don't like to call immigrants from Spain who are currently enjoying a good life care of the EU.
The word "Advisory" never appeared once in the public arena prior to the referendum. This thread started way before a single vote was cast and I'd be surprised if anyone mentioned it being an "Advisory" process prior to that point in time. The official line from the government was that the people would be given a choice whether or not to stay in the EU and that the government would carry out their decision. That's very plain and very clear.
Although technically correct, "Advisory" has been born out of a sourness and a lack of dignity in defeat by those who supported remain. It was made clear by the government before the referendum what we were voting for and it's still clear now.
The vote was about our future membership of the EU. The result was that the majority wanted to leave. The consequence is that we are going to leave the EU.
Get over it. Show some dignity. Drop the "Advisory" rubbish.
Sorry tillson the bill authorising the Referendum clearly states "Advisory"
It's there..get over it...
oh great, so the fact you're saying the public wasn't aware of the facts before the referendum is a reason to ignore the fact? That really isn't a good way to run anything, let alone a country.
and even though the vote was about the EU.
It wasn't about the EEA, or the Customs Union was it... because they are different things. However we're being bounced out of them without even being asked about them.
I don't think you can expect people to "get over it" they won't.
I'm over it. We are heading out of the EU. That was the promise, that's what is being delivered.
Your faith in politicians keeping promises is nice to see. As someone who wants to remain, the fact they are promising we'll leave actually fills me with confidence we'll remain. Perhaps my experience of politician's promises is different to yours
I did object to their being a referendum on such a complex issue in a parliamentary democracy. But now we've had one anyway I'm not objecting to the vote outcome being carried through, but there are many ways of leaving. The people weren't given any choices on that so it should have reverted to parliament to decide, not Theresa May.
I'm not picking on her alone, starting with Margaret Thatcher we've had a succession of five Prime Ministers exceeding their powers and bypassing parliament, predictably often with costly and chaotic outcomes. And I'm far from alone in my annoyance at this, most MPs share the sentiment that we should return to the parliamentary democracy we had previously, with issues properly debated before decisions are made.
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KTM
Students have been getting turned down for Universities since they opened, thing is now some people can blame brexit...Yes, you seem convinced its because of Brexit. I very much doubt it.
But your comment re..."we haven't left yet " ( or words to that effect) does contain some truth, but as similar to your prolonged claims re referendum being "adisory" I suspect you will be proved inn error again. I didn't think we would leave, I think we will now.
On the advisory issue. Had it really been case dont you think our politicians would have used ploy somewhat stronger ? Also had it been case , and well publicised, the turn out would have been half what it was..
Besides in our democracy advisory or not really makes no difference. Like I said pages ago, even had it been so, the issue becomes strategic for government to hold onto power. If they don't do it, they,d be voted out .( or believe they would) ie issue is electorally enforced.
OG
I,m not responding to your infantile insults. Like I,ve said loads before time for all to stop bickering and stick to opinions and facts.
Students have been getting turned down for Universities since they opened, thing is now some people can blame brexit...Yes, you seem convinced its because of Brexit. I very much doubt it.
But your comment re..."we haven't left yet " ( or words to that effect) does contain some truth, but as similar to your prolonged claims re referendum being "adisory" I suspect you will be proved inn error again. I didn't think we would leave, I think we will now.
On the advisory issue. Had it really been case dont you think our politicians would have used ploy somewhat stronger ? Also had it been case , and well publicised, the turn out would have been half what it was..
Besides in our democracy advisory or not really makes no difference. Like I said pages ago, even had it been so, the issue becomes strategic for government to hold onto power. If they don't do it, they,d be voted out .( or believe they would) ie issue is electorally enforced.
OG
I,m not responding to your infantile insults. Like I,ve said loads before time for all to stop bickering and stick to opinions and facts.
Have you read what I put!!! He's not getting turned down for university...he's been told he can't have permanent residency in the UK. Slightly more important than a uni place.
He can read he just doesn't understand the words. He does understand numbers with £ in front apparently so we will have to wait until the -£xxx bit kicks in for him to have a grasp on this.
KTM and now Kiwi
The EU student status has not altered, it might do, but has not yet. All eu resident students have " right of residence" throughout EU whilst studying (except some from Croatia???) so I assumed the letter was revolving around withdrawing offer...
The rules may well have changed , please post changes..but not specific letters of unknown origin ( well facebook)
Perhaps the letter omits pertanent details ?? Who knows.
Kiwi
I,ll take that as a compliment...English isn't my first language...I am better with numbers especially with £ infront , not euro after.
The EU student status has not altered, it might do, but has not yet. All eu resident students have " right of residence" throughout EU whilst studying (except some from Croatia???) so I assumed the letter was revolving around withdrawing offer...
The rules may well have changed , please post changes..but not specific letters of unknown origin ( well facebook)
Perhaps the letter omits pertanent details ?? Who knows.
Kiwi
I,ll take that as a compliment...English isn't my first language...I am better with numbers especially with £ infront , not euro after.
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its not unknown origin... I know them.
Its nothing to do with him being a student. In fact its caused by him not being a student at the time of application.
He's born in the UK, has lived here all his life, and has been turned down for UK residence.
This is nothing to do with being or not being a student, you've taken some words from the tale and missed the detail that is important bit.
This bit.
has had his application for permanent residency refused
The student bit was just shared to show that he isn't a waste of space.
I totally agree regarding the value politician's promises, but this is something very different to a manifesto promise or a pledge. BREXIT is an issue which has been simmering for decades and something which the public were recently asked to engage with. I don't think the politicians can break that promise now, even if they wanted to. I believe that Mrs May would dearly love to quietly shelve the idea of BREXIT and get on with something else, but she can't, it would destroy the Conservatives for a generation. The genie is out of the bottle, Cameron released it but dropped the cork. There is no going back.Your faith in politicians keeping promises is nice to see. As someone who wants to remain, the fact they are promising we'll leave actually fills me with confidence we'll remain. Perhaps my experience of politician's promises is different to yours
There is always going back... that's democracy! Even if / when we leave, we can always go back.
Perhaps not at this moment, but I can envisage the UK rejoining at a future date.
N.B. Post crossed with KTM's above.
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KTM
Ok, fair enough...but exactly what rules have changed under Brexit for you to automatically assume its the cause..
As far as I am aware not a single rule or policy has actually changed..???
Which remainers are quick to point out when it suits them.
Ok, fair enough...but exactly what rules have changed under Brexit for you to automatically assume its the cause..
As far as I am aware not a single rule or policy has actually changed..???
Which remainers are quick to point out when it suits them.