Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

To acclamitise to brexit i think we should all have chunks of unwashed intestinal tract,washef down with fresh pigs blood and protein fed sheep brain

I'll pass on that lot 'derf' but it got me wondering if, to help the post-'Brexit' economy, we can perhaps export thousands of tons of tripe around the world. After all, there's an abundance of it in this forum thread alone! I reckon they'd be queuing up.......or perhaps that should be throwing up?

Tom

 

[oldtom]

After all the black pudding and other cuisine delicacies, here is some more food but this time it's food for thought........



Tom

 

[Croxden]

What's wrong with nice simple Blanquette de Veau, Boeuf Stroganoff, Tournedos Rossini or Pate de Foie Gras?
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Tory food.

 

[Zlatan]

Sorry to disappoint all you black pudding experts but all black pudding in UK ( made for sale) must be made from dried blood. Just google it. There are no uk suppliers of dried blood.

And generally from cows blood but with pork fat added..!!!

But back on topic..
I loved the eu graphic OG, really pretty and even when I,d found the key still didn't have a fecking clue what the different parties were.. Well red, blue, black and yellow I suppose...with a tiny green bit.
Nobody has a clue about eu politics and why should they ? Its feck all to do with us. ( Ironic smiley)

Surprised about the foi gross.( apalogies for spelling, its deliberate) thought eu had banned animal torture...oh I forgot its made in France. All the motorcyclists blocked roads when eu banned animal cruelty...spanish just said " feck you" and carried on fecking bulls in arenas...to get blood to dry for Yorkshire Blackpudding. ( another ironic smiley)

 

[flecc]

Sorry to disappoint all you black pudding experts but all black pudding in UK ( made for sale) must be made from dried blood. Just google it. There are no uk suppliers of dried blood.

Yep. It said so on TV and if on TV it must be true.
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[flecc]

Tory food.

I'm going to have to relearn geography, physical and political.

First I'm told North Staffs is in Yorkshire and now that the French and Italians are Tories.
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[D8ve]

I'll pass on that lot 'derf' but it got me wondering if, to help the post-'Brexit' economy, we can perhaps export thousands of tons of tripe around the world. After all, there's an abundance of it in this forum thread alone! I reckon they'd be queuing up.......or perhaps that should be throwing up?

Tom

I was refused One of the classic Philippino dishes in a restaurant I visited, they said you westerners won't eat the tripe? They never met my grandmother then.

 

[oldtom]

Tory food.

Possibly but it's EU food too. I just love food and never consider its politics before consuming it.

If 'Brexit' occurs, a lot of people might need to curtail their intake but I shall just spend more time abroad and on cruise ships which I book in the USA at dollar prices.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

They never met my grandmother then.

Nor my dad! He did like his tripe and onions which my mum, a butcher, would prepare for him but not for herself!

Tom

 

[Croxden]

I used to like tripe but the last time I saw it for sale it was dog food.

 

[Danidl]

No flecc that's not answering it at all. Its your view of situation. The EU was never intended to become as one country, its developed that way. Itts arguing it should be because it is..self full filling..
I,m asking deeper than that..what are its benefits,risks and problems. The EU has simply charged at this declaring it righteous with scant regard fir any of its consequences. Yes in theory it great , in reality the poor countries simply get poorer,the rich richer. The rich benefit from cheap labour, whilst the already poorly paid get pushed into poverty. In meantime investment is attracted to areas of cheap labour,skilled workers gravitate to investment areas..produces a polarization of wealth. If you are sat in a wealthy zone with reasonable income ( all posters on here?) then its fine. If you happen to either have poorly paid job or live in a poor region basically you are fecked. ( Just look what's happened last 10 years all over eu.If you live in London , then lovely jubbly, what about poor folk in Lithuania, Greece, Spain..or even northern cities.???
If you live in London, then its luvly jubbly,if you own some flash company..great. What about poor in Lithiania, Greece,Spain..What about Northern Cities?

Zlantan has asked the question at least twice about the necessity of including freedom of movement as one of the four prerequisites for a free market , and I do not think he has been adequately answered. The discussion loops back to discussing personality disorders rather than staying on track. ( Some of these asides are amusing none the less. )

Yes, there may well be an agenda towards a united states of Europe but the arguement is more simple than that.

To have a free market it must be fair and every participant has to be playing by the same rules. Ideally the same weights and measures will be used,( see previous postings on that ) and the same product standards will be used otherwise fair comparisons cannot be made.

More importantly than the concept of an US of Europe , was the social cohesion principle of the EU , on broadly Christian Democrat lines, and this seeks to bring up the living standards of all EU citizens . The ECJ the various commissions of the EU are all working towards that aim. Almost every country has been brought to book on one or other occasion. Ireland being one of the latest with the Apple Tax schemes.

There is a financial cost associated with social rights. If you have a slave economy you can produce goods and services at a lower cost than economies which value workers. Slaves by definition are not free to travel. If the free market does not penalise those who will by their actions will not play by the same rules as the rest then those countries which act unethically will prosper at the expense of the ethical.

Social services will decline where there is a race to The bottom. There is simply less money around for social needs.

Free people will vote with their feet. It might be advantageous for a local economy to restrict their movement ... Eg flight from the land, but the better solution is to make it more attractive to remain, by increasing productivity and wages.

 

[Danidl]

If eu had any real intentions of equal opportunities through eu investment would be pro rata per he's capita. Just look at projects, investments, large corporations throughout EU .. Luxembourg, France, Germany or Uk could not care less about equal distribution. Its all geared towards the more powerful / influential attractiong investment. Yes ofcourse wr can find the occasional philanthropic gesture towards providing jobs, security and futures in poorer areas but in 95% of cases the efforts are made towards attracting investment to the member states represented by the major players. Its there for all to see, perfect example Luxembourg. Or do posyrts think its just coincidence nearly every major corporation is centred there.ofcourse not. Just open your eyes.
And yes the case is same in UK, with South East attracting bulk of major investment, with so called northrrn ppwerhouses fighting over scraps. Two wrongs dont make a right and the potential for further discrimination against poorer regions is colossal in eu and amazingly against their so called principles. You Europhiles have been conned..and you,ve taken it hook line and sinker..equally as bad as Leave with Farage and his rhetoric bs.
I just cant understand how you cant see it. The EU does not exist. Its a load of national MP,s watching out for their own countries. It will never be any different. The MEP,s dont go too Brussels to redistribute wealth, or cure poverty, or ensure equal investment accross EU. They go to get best deal they can for home nation. So far Juhnkers is winning hands down.

MEPs do represent local constituancies and since there are approximately 750 they give a wide range of opinion, they are directly elected by the EU citizens in each area. Of course they are interested in their own constituancies
The commission and it's Commissioners which are selected by national governments on fixed terms have a pan European brief they are more akin to ministers of departments in national governments?

Some countries are more effective in gaining EU aid and projects than others, why ... Because they engage with the process. The UK, in my opinion, as an outsider, has been less effective than it deserves to be because of the disinterest, and possibly calibre of the personnel it selects.
You refer to corporations .... They have neither a soul or a conscience, they have but one agenda. ...wealth creation . Only institutions as large as the EU. Or the USA have any chance of putting manners on them.

 

[Danidl]

Here is a question for you , do MEPs in the EU parliament sit in National Groups? just curious.

Seriously do you not know?. The answer is that MEPs join groups more closely aligned with their domestic politics. E.g those of a right wing will join such a grouping. However the EP is not as fractious as domestic parliament's and consensus building is more the norm. National MEPs from different parties will cooperate in items of mutual concern.

 

[Kudoscycles]

The Lib-dems have won the Richmond Park bye election overturning a 23000 Tory majority. The bye election was largely about Brexit,Richmond Park was a strong Remain vote.
Theresa May cannot now go to the country with a GE,any constituency with a strong Remain vote and a lib-dem who campaigns on a Remain or Soft Brexit,the Tories could lose.
It shows that the Remainers are still keen Remainers and will protest vote against Brexit when opportunity arises.
The Lib-dem candidate has bravely said she will vote against the triggering of Article 50,her constituents have given her a mandate to do so.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Seriously do you not know?. The answer is that MEPs join groups more closely aligned with their domestic politics. E.g those of a right wing will join such a grouping. However the EP is not as fractious as domestic parliament's and consensus building is more the norm. National MEPs from different parties will cooperate in items of mutual concern.

Yes indeed I do know, simply wanted to stress the point that the assumption they sit as a UK group, which is a widely held notion is wrong, and they are concerned primarily with EU wide issues, not merely local one's.
Our mistake was sending a group that included football hooligans among them to represent us and not monitoring what the blighters have been doing to work against our interests and in favour of their own.
I was trying to find out if zlatan understood the situation correctly, that the parliament is not organised along national power group lines as people seem to believe.

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[oldgroaner]

I didn't know North Staffs was in Yorkshire?
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I think flecc has had an outbreak of "American Geographic knowledge"

 

[oldgroaner]

Tory food.

They can't spell stuff like that in a proper Yorkshire Chippie without cries of Heresy from the customers, these furriners will be banning the sale of greasy fish and chips fried in proper Drippin' wiv scraps and wrapped in Newspaper next....

 

[tillson]

The Lib-dems have won the Richmond Park bye election overturning a 23000 Tory majority. The bye election was largely about Brexit,Richmond Park was a strong Remain vote.
Theresa May cannot now go to the country with a GE,any constituency with a strong Remain vote and a lib-dem who campaigns on a Remain or Soft Brexit,the Tories could lose.
It shows that the Remainers are still keen Remainers and will protest vote against Brexit when opportunity arises.
The Lib-dem candidate has bravely said she will vote against the triggering of Article 50,her constituents have given her a mandate to do so.
KudosDave

"This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."

The words of the government prior to the referendum. Any leader going back on that will be haunted by it for a generation and will secure their party's place in opposition for a very long time.

Richmond Park is in no way representative of the mood of the country. There is no comfort to be taken by remainers from this result.

The initial statement by the government, which I have quoted, is clear. The referendum result is clear.

 

[oldgroaner]

"This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."

The words of the government prior to the referendum. Any leader going back on that will be haunted by it for a generation and will secure their party's place in opposition for a very long time.

Richmond Park is in no way representative of the mood of the country. There is no comfort to be taken by remainers from this result.

The initial statement by the government, which I have quoted, is clear. The referendum result is clear.

What would we do without you tillson, when all about are losing their heads, etc.
Top man!
Steady as we go, onward and downwards together.
"I see no ships" quite so,
Let there be Brexit!
We are all behind you! (though there are some, dare I say it, not going entirely in the same direction, or even for the same reason, and one, determined to go round in circles .
(No names, no pack drill, but a possible recruit there for the cause, Nudge nudge, wink wink)

 

[oldgroaner]

"This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide."

The words of the government prior to the referendum. Any leader going back on that will be haunted by it for a generation and will secure their party's place in opposition for a very long time.

Richmond Park is in no way representative of the mood of the country. There is no comfort to be taken by remainers from this result.

The initial statement by the government, which I have quoted, is clear. The referendum result is clear.

And has the structural integrity of a big girls blouse in an F12.
(not that I have any objection in principle to big girls blouses, you understand)
I.M.H.O etc