Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

This is all becoming ridiculous .
Boris is in Ankara, yes the same Boris who made up the rude poem about the Turkish president.
Boris has said that he will support Turkey's application to join the EU,he obviously doesn't realise that it is part of his job to assist the UK leaving the EU and that our influence to new members joining is probably nil.
Boris is still a Tory and Cameron promised that there was no chance of Turkey joining the EU for at least 30 years.
Perhaps I have lost the plot but I am completely confused on what side Boris is on?
Or what is he on?
We must look like the idiots of the world,to the whole world.
KudosDave

I can sum up which side Boris is on quite simply.
The last person he spoke to
Now what could be simpler than that?
Unfortunately as usual his rather tenuous single Brain cell link to his mouth broke down and out came this
"Johnson said the UK would cooperate with the Turkish authorities to get to the bottom of any Gülenist links in the UK. He said “Gülenism and the way that they act and the way they behave is very foreign to us. We are trying to learn as much as we can from our Turkish friends exactly what this organisations is, how it behaves, how it dictates an agenda.”

Now who gave him permission to make undertakings like that on the spur of one of his "Mad Mouth" moments?

He really is either utterly stupid (Highly probable)
Or desperate to get the sack to avoid any blame over Brexit (Equally Highly probable)

 

[Kudoscycles]

I can sum up which side Boris is on quite simply.
The last person he spoke to
Now what could be simpler than that?
Unfortunately as usual his rather tenuous single Brain cell link to his mouth broke down and out came this
"Johnson said the UK would cooperate with the Turkish authorities to get to the bottom of any Gülenist links in the UK. He said “Gülenism and the way that they act and the way they behave is very foreign to us. We are trying to learn as much as we can from our Turkish friends exactly what this organisations is, how it behaves, how it dictates an agenda.”

Now who gave him permission to make undertakings like that on the spur of one of his "Mad Mouth" moments?

He really is either utterly stupid (Highly probable)
Or desperate to get the sack to avoid any blame over Brexit (Equally Highly probable)

I don't think Boris is stupid but he is desperate to get the sack...,look on his face when he left No 10 the day he got the foreign secretary job,fed up !!!!!
He was the most unsuitable person to be FS, he had insulted half the world and is doing a good job of insulting the other half.
Just don't know what he has to do to get the sack...accusing Putin he's gay or goosing Hilary Clinton?
I remember Cameron's comment at Tory conference ' that Boris took all round til Tuesday before putting his foot in it'!!'
It's all good fun,but it's our country that these idiots are playing with.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Still when May gets the push there is the England football job and it pays 10 times what she gets as PM.
Do you think Osborne could be the next PM.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

I don't think Boris is stupid but he is desperate to get the sack...,look on his face when he left No 10 the day he got the foreign secretary job,fed up !!!!!
He was the most unsuitable person to be FS, he had insulted half the world and is doing a good job of insulting the other half.
Just don't know what he has to do to get the sack...accusing Putin he's gay or goosing Hilary Clinton?
I remember Cameron's comment at Tory conference ' that Boris took all round til Tuesday before putting his foot in it'!!'
It's all good fun,but it's our country that these idiots are playing with.
KudosDave

Well at least one fact has emerged we know which village has been missing it's least productive member!
"
Johnson said he had “met some of my relatives” in the last 24 hours. A number of people from Johnson’s ancestral home of Kalfat in central Anatolia have lauded his links with Turkey.

“We will sacrifice many sheep in Boris’s honour. We will repave our roads, repaint our buildings. We will give him the complete red carpet treatment if he visits his ancestral village,” Adem Karaagac, the village headman, told the magazine Middle East Eye."
Is it too much to ask that they give him his honoured position in their society back, and keep him?

 

[Kudoscycles]

Will Theresa May make it til Christmas?

 

[trex]

yes, I think she will last until she calls the big 50.
Then the tories will knife her in the back at the first opportunity.

 

[Croxden]

yes, I think she will last until she calls the big 50.
Then the tories will knife her in the back at the first opportunity.

You mean to say she's not 50 yet?

 

[oldgroaner]

The part to look forward to is the Press reporting after article 50 is invoked, it will be something like a manuscript J.K Rowling would produce as a Harry Potter sequel.
"No running commentary" according to May, Hmm!

Oh Sure! I can just see that happening, unless she gets a building contractor to board Boris and co's mouths up with sturdy planks and six inch nails!

They have probably already written the articles for publication and are just waiting to fill in the dates!

 

[Kudoscycles]

If Boris thinks it such a good idea that Turkey should join the EU then why is it a good idea that the UK should leave?
KudosDave

 

[trex]

Boris? cheap talk.
I don't think he is going to do anything for Turkey.
If May kicks him out, now the press will really be interested.

 

[oldtom]

The part to look forward to is the Press reporting after article 50 is invoked

May has the sword of Damocles hanging over her and she is well aware that there is a deep schism within her party. It is for that reason that she selected the '3 stooges' to lead the negotiations over 'Brexit'.

Whatever they achieve (or otherwise) it will need to be considered by the whole party and by parliament so she can fairly say that it's their work and she cannot be blamed - a bit like the 'Please don't kill me; I'm only the messenger!' excuse.

The question I would like answered is, why is the whole issue being delayed? There seems to be nothing on the parliamentary agenda at the moment to suggest that we are getting closer to invoking Article 50 so, as there can be no pre-negotiations while we remain a fully-committed member, what are the '3 stooges' up to?.....apart from running up a huge expenses bill.

In my view, it would be better to invoke tomorrow and see what a year or so of negotiations produces. If the future looks bleak, we can just apologise and sit quietly at the back of the room, letting the committed Europeans determine how the EU might be improved so that there can never be another example of the British retreat.

If it requires a new parliamentary mandate and the annulment of current legislation in order to proceed matters, surely that should be a matter of urgency? It's not like the government are working hard on other major issues. The important things going on in the world are being dealt with in the normal tory manner - by bombing the hist out of them!

I need to exchange some sterling again this week into Euros so once again, I am affected at a personal level because of the uncertainty 'Brexit' has created.

Tom

 

[trex]

it's not May who delays the process. David Davis' department is the key. They need to recruit economists and there are not many who actually think that brexit is a good thing for the UK economy. Brexiters would say, sod the economy, we just stop paying and leave. Of course, our three brexiteers can't say that themselves.

 

[oldgroaner]

it's not May who delays the process. David Davis' department is the key. They need to recruit economists and there are not many who actually think that brexit is a good thing for the UK economy. Brexiters would say, sod the economy, we just stop paying and leave. Of course, our three brexiteers can't say that themselves.

My feeling is that the delay is caused more by a lack of legal expertise than economists, as the level of integration into the EU is far higher than the government will admit, even though they were warned before the referendum, and they have no idea how to untangle the matrix


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[trex]

they have to decide on one key question: in or out of the Single Market.
It's hugely complicated. Although brexiters like to think that they can simply tell the EU 'take it or leave it', in practice, they know unless they can make a convincing case that the grass is indeed greener outside the Single Market, parliament can unravel the whole brexit project and force a no confidence vote.

 

[oldgroaner]

I wonder what Bookmakers would give as odds on Boris's next attempts to get the sack? this weeks should have done the trick, after all,

• Promising to help Turkey get into the EU
• Promises to help Erdogan suppress dissent

Should surely be enough, but if not, any bets that Boris will try either

• Declaring Brexit Himself by invoking Article 50
• Insulting Putin even more than he already has.
• Cancelling Hinckley Point and offering it to North Korea
• Defecting to UKIP

One of them surely must be his next ploy!

 

[Croxden]

I wonder what Bookmakers would give as odds on Boris's next attempts to get the sack? this weeks should have done the trick, after all,

• Promising to help Turkey get into the EU
• Promises to help Erdogan suppress dissent

Should surely be enough, but if not, any bets that Boris will try either

• Declaring Brexit Himself by invoking Article 50
• Insulting Putin even more than he already has.
• Cancelling Hinckley Point and offering it to North Korea
• Defecting to UKIP

One of them surely must be his next ploy!

Get a part time job as Englands manager on the side.

 

[oldgroaner]

Get a part time job as Englands manager on the side.

And bring his unique Honesty and integrity to the job?

 

[Kudoscycles]

I think the delay on triggering Article 50 is that Theresa May has no intention of ever doing so. She wanted the PM job and Brexit was baggage that she had to accept,but she knows that triggering Article 50 would destroy the economy of our country,every day she gets a new threat of job losses in the City,the car industry etc.
She is hoping that a situation appears where she can placate the leavers and stay in the EU,at that moment the 3 brexiters will take the fall.
May and Co keep using phrases like 'this will be an opportunity for us to free trade to the world',but there is no detail from Fox or Davis as to what countries we can embrace,what products can we sell them from a pretty non existent manufacturing base.....these phrases are meaningless rubbish and they know it. If we open free trade to China ,the Chinese will destroy what is left of our manufacturing industries.
Unfortunately May hasn't yet found an opportunity to soft Brexit or even U turn completely and that is looking more difficult by the day....I think the reason that no info is coming from No 10 is because May and Co don't have any idea what Brexit means,absolutely no idea of a direction to even work towards,this is evidenced that the 3 brexiters don't have unified answers to even the most basic questions.
The judge looking into Mays idea of using the Royal Prerogative to trigger Article 50 has asked the government to publish their side of the case by October 10,have they done anything,is some minion desperately trying to gather the evidence.?
We need a general election to rid ourselves of this stupid Brexit mess and as quickly as possible.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

In one sense this is Comedy Noir, we have for the first time in our long and sordid history, a Government that actually, when you get down to it,wants to be out of power, to avoid the stigma Brexit will brand it with, but by a tragi comic twist of fate, cannot rely on an Opposition Party being up to the challenge of defeating them in an election, or even being willing to make that effort to defeat them, only to bear the blame themselves.
And the situation isn't helped by Corbyn and co sticking too closely to lip service to respecting the Brexit vote, he needs to indicate some clear water there, not conditional agreement to it if apparently favourable economic reasons are fabricated.
The Social damage to public and environment isn't merely "collateral damage" to be accepted
That simply isn't good enough to convince the 48%, who voted to remain, me included.

Brexit: the original sticky toffee wrapper coated with a laxative so you can't even lick your fingers!

Ah well it has been an interesting object lesson not to experiment with "Mobocracy"
The people have spoken.
And what they said was sort of unhelpful. to put it mildly.

Much as if in mid flight on Concorde, coming in at Mach 2 with Heathrow on the Horizon, the passengers decided to make the flight crew redundant.
What could possibles go wrong?

 

[trex]

this graph may explain the thinking of Mrs May's government which is beholden to the attitude of brexiters:

source: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/hard-brexit-only-if-its-free/

basically, if the economic news are bad, then the government veers toward soft brexit. The middle point for brexiters is -2.5% of their personal income. Mrs May may have to wait until we hit some substantial bad news before notifying the EU. If she calls before that, the only way is hard brexit.