Brexit, for once some facts.
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I've just had an interesting email from one of the Euro suppliers we work with (Not KTM)... and their head of export said this (because basically the whole cycle industry has no idea what to do about 2017 prices, or distribution models currently:
"I hope so too as I am under the impression that the Brexit Pros are expecting that there is no change after a leave except that Brussels is history…. but in fact the EU would have to make some sanctions (also to make it harder for more countries to leave) like import duties, necessity of export declarations (like in Switzerland). For our future collaboration it could possibly mean that we would need to do it via distribution as the normal EU goods exchange would no longer be as easy as it is today. Anyway, we will wait and see what happens."
Interesting times, but as has been said countless times in this thread, those voting leave, don't seem to have a handle on what they are voting for. They have a good idea of what they are voting against... but in 99% of cases I can see they are voting against things that won't be solved, or made better by leaving the EU. In many cases they will actually be made worse.
Fingers crossed the country will see sense, because from what I can gather from all our business and social contacts in Europe, we're being looked at in very much the same was as the UK looks at the USA for voting for Trump, and this isn't a good thing.
That attitude from you, OG and to a lesser degree Flecc is so annoying.( ie brexit don't understand what they are voting for)
Its so self righteous. Perhaps its you that does not understand what staying implies.
If I was distributing German bikes I suspect I,d have understandable vested interests to remain ???
What makes you so qualified to tell folk they don't understand situation ??
And don't forget the airtime the trial hearing will get tomorrow, how exactly did they get such an expedited trial date on exactly that day?
No doubt they will also allow him a long speech to impress the electorate
Classification as a terrrorist offence automatically puts in place a protocol meaning a speedy trial procedure. In this we fall in line with international protocols which protect individual rights.
It's normally the CPS that decides on the classification of offences, so I wouldn't completely rule out influence being brought to bear.
But Thomas Mair will not have the opportunity to make a long speech tomorrow.
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Somebody will find a way to justify both scenarios.
I defy anyone to travel around eu ,not holidaying but working under its rules and seeing what the real eu is and how we are seen and not questioning our inclusion.
I defy anyone to travel around eu ,not holidaying but working under its rules and seeing what the real eu is and how we are seen and not questioning our inclusion.
I well understand what remaining or leaving implies, and appreciate the disadvantages of remaining.
But, contrary to what you posted to me yesterday, I do have the intelligence and vision to know what eventual union could achieve, and know that remaining might help that process.
For that reason I'm prepared to suffer the known disadvantages of remaining. Whether leaving would bring the UK advantages, no-one knows, incuding me, but I don't want to return to the fragmented Europe past.
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As a means of impressing on the electorate that the Brexit cause has a Martyr?
Do you know until you brought it up, I hadn't thought of that!
Smart move on the Brexit side, yes?
Brendan, Brexit struggles to appear sensible and this conspiracy theory of yours isn't helping is it?
It's silly
Your view on this baffles me, since very many UK citizens live and work in various EU countries and much prefer that to being in the UK. They often enjoy better incomes, shorter working hours and a higher standard of living.
Equally there are large numbers from the EU living and working in the UK, also enjoying that.
Maybe there's an element of "grass being greener the other side of the fence" in this?
Every time you post in this vein you further convince me that you went into Europe with a preformed intention to dislike the EU and look for defects.
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"What makes you so qualified to tell folk they don't understand situation ??"
The fact that they demonstrate ignorance of the facts perhaps, and are willing to still make important decisions out of wishful thinking?
Its not a case of being "self righteous" its a case of simple recognition and acceptance of provable facts, where Brexit offer none.
And in return What makes you qualified to claim these folk do understand the situation? that's equally "self righteous"
The difference is one side deals in facts, the other in hopes, lies, misunderstandings and myths.
Of course people have "Vested interests" when it affect their lives it's important, and I recommend you show some vested interest in yours before you make a big mistake and vote for Brexit.
Which I still expect to win handsomely, as my annoying attitude recognises that so many people live in a world of fantasy.
The dream won't last long, but the damage will have been done.
My attitude is "annoying" how sad. Yours is more in the nature of "liable to self harm"
But never mind, I shall watch with interest as this farce unfolds.
And you continue in same tone but don't even see it.
Your implication is that you, and perhaps some enlightened remainers, have the intelligence to understand implications of leaving, whereas others supporters of brexit either lack intelligence or do not understand what they are voting for.
Its been the backbone of remain. Knock brexit reasoning and if that fails kick brexiters reasoning,intelligence and if that fails play the "Mosley" card. ( as OG had, then KTM suggests we don't understand and you claim more intelligence.
All rather bigoted and fairly normal for this forum.(As demonstrated above by OG)
Yes I perfectly well understand financial risks of leaving, but yourelf ,OG and KTM can ramble on for another 400 posts and the fact remains. I do not want to be part of Europe .
If you want a perfect example if a self righteous know it all bigoted post read OG,s last post. Who the feck does he think he is ??
Like I said 3 weeks ago,yes you have an opinion, which you are entitled to, but wake up FFS so does everyone else.
You,OG or KTM know no more about eu than anyone else, no matter what you think.
Suspect you know much less.
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I'm qualified to comment because I've worked in and with companies that trade within / across the EU and globally. I speak to experts (export manager at firms who turn over millions in global trade) and I've also done a lot of work an been effected by a whole raft of European law that's had a positive impact on lots of aspects of my work.
I have real problem with your use of the phrase "vested interest" its a big problem the leave campaign has had since day 1. If anyone comments that the UK should stay, the first cry is they are biased, or vested or simply shouldn't be sticking their nose in.
Everyone should be listening to the comments of the people this will effect, especially when we tell you that this will have a negative impact on the UK economically.
Even this morning, within 24 hours of the ballot, I listened to someone giving forth about immigration being the cause of our NHS being under pressure. She also ranted about rail and tube strikes, the closure of steel plants and various other situations being the fault of the EU.
This tory government of ours has a lot to answer for and they do nothing to quell the notion among many that the EU is the problem because it suits their right-wing agenda to allow such BS to be spread around.
Here's a link to a page which describes how I feel about what has been going on, continues to go on and will become horrendously worse if the electorate choose to vote for the extremists associated with Farage and his cronies tomorrow.
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/the-brexit-snake-oil-revolution.html
Tom
This tory government of ours has a lot to answer for and they do nothing to quell the notion among many that the EU is the problem because it suits their right-wing agenda to allow such BS to be spread around.
Here's a link to a page which describes how I feel about what has been going on, continues to go on and will become horrendously worse if the electorate choose to vote for the extremists associated with Farage and his cronies tomorrow.
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/the-brexit-snake-oil-revolution.html
Tom
One cannot knock what isn't there, as there is no such thing as "Brexit Reasoning" which is merely a series of unproven, untested and factually unsupported hopes and dreams.
Where are your facts?, the claims made universally amount at best to a mistaken opinion if not a downright lie, or misunderstanding.
Heres one from you for a start.
I didn't play the Mosley Card, did I?
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Oswald Mosley?
Do try to get your thoughts in order.
And you do seem to suffer from attacking any difference of opinion for example
"All rather bigoted and fairly normal for this forum.(As demonstrated above by OG"
You really need to work on those social skills, because your pet fetish is criticised by people daring to point out the facts to you.
And avoid debate if you can't hold your own and have to resort to angry and incorrect outbursts.
if the electorate choose to vote for the extremists associated with Farage and his cronies tomorrow.
There you go thinking it's an election, the people in power will be the same people as today, just with a different mandate, nothing to do with this bogeyman extremists, which is just the usual fear mongering
They won't believe any of it Tom, the fact that it is TRUE means that is conflicts with the Brexit Dreams and the infatuation with that is too strong
There you go again, accusing me of something i haven't done.
Not only have I not accused Brexiters of not understanding, I've acknowledged the disadvantages of Remaining.
So let me make it even more clear that I did on my previous answer:
Remaining has disadvantages. Leaving might have disadvantages.
But I'm prepared to accept the known Remain disadvantages for the possibility of the end game of union.
What is unfair or insulting about that?
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