I don't think so. It's a matter of public record and Labour, indeed all decent people, should have no truck with those who support the genocide of the Palestinian people at the hands of the Jewish state, Israel.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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It's very easy for them to survive.
First, they are a tax haven with numerous millionaires resident there.
Second, they have cash rich companies like international investment advisors resident.
Third, the UK looks after their representation in all other countries around the world, free of charge.
Fourth, the UK looks after their defence, free of charge.
Any small country would be rich in those circumstances.
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Wednesday is Bottom of the Barrel day! what new and final lies, myths and fantasies will be on offer today?
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Daily Excess sorry Express
SCHOOLING for the children of EU migrants is set to hit taxpayers with a bill of up to £29billion over the next 14 years, according to a new estimate published by anti-Brussels campaigners last night."
Compared to the £100 Billion the stock market lost in 4 days last week, somehow that lacks the impact it should have had
And of course From the Daily Mail
"Queen said to have been asking dinner guests for 'three good reasons' why Britain should be in the EU"
Are they serious?
By mid day I am expecting "Gott mit uns!" at the very least.
Just a little update again from the Express
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Lisbon Treaty turned the EU into a superstate that could become a 'prison of nations'
SPEAKING from his own extensive experience, the last USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev famously proclaimed that “the EU was the old Soviet Union dressed in Western clothes”.
In other news, when asked for his opinion who will replace Cameron, Jedi Master Yoda replied
"Available am I, need me you will!"
Now I can believe that, why not? it is every bit as credible as the rest.
After all facts are not necessary, are they, (or so some on here say)
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Daily Excess sorry Express
SCHOOLING for the children of EU migrants is set to hit taxpayers with a bill of up to £29billion over the next 14 years, according to a new estimate published by anti-Brussels campaigners last night."
Compared to the £100 Billion the stock market lost in 4 days last week, somehow that lacks the impact it should have had
And of course From the Daily Mail
"Queen said to have been asking dinner guests for 'three good reasons' why Britain should be in the EU"
Are they serious?
By mid day I am expecting "Gott mit uns!" at the very least.
Just a little update again from the Express
"
Lisbon Treaty turned the EU into a superstate that could become a 'prison of nations'
SPEAKING from his own extensive experience, the last USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev famously proclaimed that “the EU was the old Soviet Union dressed in Western clothes”.
In other news, when asked for his opinion who will replace Cameron, Jedi Master Yoda replied
"Available am I, need me you will!"
Now I can believe that, why not? it is every bit as credible as the rest.
After all facts are not necessary, are they, (or so some on here say)
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Nice one Tom where did you get it?
Go on admit it... it was you, wasn't it?
Have you thought of posting it on the Daily Express, it would send the Brexiters into fits of delight, and out drumming up support wherever they could find it for Friday, meanwhile losing by a vast margin on Thursday
You naughty Boy
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Go on admit it... it was you, wasn't it?
Have you thought of posting it on the Daily Express, it would send the Brexiters into fits of delight, and out drumming up support wherever they could find it for Friday, meanwhile losing by a vast margin on Thursday
You naughty Boy
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Just when everyone was getting used to the idea put about by the right-wing extremists that the murderer, Thomas Mair, was simply a lone-wolf nutter with no connection to their relentless, xenophobic hysteria, this turns up. The 'this' reveals that Mair is a dedicated, long-term, far-right activist so it is no surprise at all that he would latch on to the rhetoric of Farage and the rest of the fascist group.
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/06/21/the-letters-that-show-thomas-mair-was-not-a-loner-but-a-far-right-political-activist-known-to-the-fbi-prides-purge/
Tom
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/06/21/the-letters-that-show-thomas-mair-was-not-a-loner-but-a-far-right-political-activist-known-to-the-fbi-prides-purge/
Tom
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This man and his associates should be prosecuted with the maximum power of the law
It might surprise you to learn that I agree with a fair bit of what you have written. I am 54, so fall into the category of never having had a job and worked under a Labour government.
I work for a wage, so I view myself as "working class." I know we all like to think of ourselves as middle class these days, but my view is that if you work for someone else in return for a wage, you are working class. Working class people should, in theory, be Labour supporters. The problem is, as you point out, the Labour Party has been hijacked by people with a selfish agenda and as a result, I don't feel as though I could vote for them.
It feels like the Labour party have almost turned against the working classes or anyone who wants to save and improve their prospects for the future and for retirement. The unions are no better, they seem to have lost sight of who they are supposed to be representing, focusing on political / environmental issues such as fracking etc. Union leaders on fabulous salaries or career politicians using the unions as a vehicle to becoming an MP. The whole idea of the Labour party representing working people through the unions is broken and a thing of the past.
Although not much better in terms of self serving politicians, I feel that the Conservative party is very marginally better at representing my interests, but it's a close call.
And here is the response from an apparently "Remain" Guardian to the ithe===
Cameron has opened Pandora's box calling this referendum over fear of his own right wing and the UKIP, and frankly is such a liar as are they all that I find it hard to believe that a man of your intelligence is impressed with their performance.
I can emote with almost all of that and even be ambivalent to the last paragraph as New Labour were really the same team in different shirts, but would ask if you believe that after this shambolic affair, it is likely to be true in the near, or for that matter far future?
Cameron has opened Pandora's box calling this referendum over fear of his own right wing and the UKIP, and frankly is such a liar as are they all that I find it hard to believe that a man of your intelligence is impressed with their performance.
On Sunday, I wrote:
"I expect a big push from remain to implant the notion into people's minds that a vote to leave is somehow a vote in support of Jo Cox's killer.
It is almost inevitable that in the coming days it will be "uncovered" that as a 6 year old, the killer walked to and from infant school with another child. That child has now grown into a man who wishes to leave the EU!!!! Or something else equally tenuous."
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Rest easy,Tillson no one is going to do such a thing, it would be idiotic to even think such absurd thoughts
Referendum Eve is here and we have this. Nothing to do with Nigel Farage, UKIP or the BREXIT campaign.
Idiotic? Absurd? Just sayin'
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I'm not impressed, it's just that I feel it is the better of a miserable line up to choose from.
I don't think the Remain / Exit issue is going to go away until something radical happens to the EU. On Friday morning, 50% of the country is going to be disappointed. That is a lot of potential votes at the next general election. Any party offering that 50% of the population another chance to get what they desire is going to be popular and it will win them votes.
The problem is that it isn't tenuous is it? and that is not the only bit that lets down your original proposition, and if I may point this out too, where is the "other child that has grown into a man who wishes to leave the EU?"
Lets examine the other two factors.
- The timing of the attack, was it pure coincidence it happened during the campaign over the Referendum?
- The slogan he shouted, coincidence too?
In other words a right wing terrorist.
As to Farage, I'll grant you there is no causal reason to directly link him to this, it is just the usual case of collateral damage done by a political hoodlum, who's only claim to notoriety is to have got himself elected as an MEP where rather than represent the interests of this country, he enjoyed a lavish lifestyle while undermining the organisation he was supposed to be a party to, on our behalf.
Already he bears a responsibility ( along with his associates)for setting in train events that have disturbed the peace, split the nation down the middle with lies and myths and even indirectly caused a run on the stock market to to tune of £100 Billion pounds.
Tell me what are his motives? is he working for Putin?
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Referendum Eve is here and we have this. Nothing to do with Nigel Farage, UKIP or the BREXIT campaign."
Sorry too many co-incidences for that statement to be realistic.
I still maintain that the murder has nothing to do with Nigel Farage, UKIP or BREXIT.
I suspect that the referendum itself may have been the catalyst that set the events in motion.
What about exiting this time, see how it goes and then re-join if it doesn't work out?
the BBC did a fantastic job helping voters with impartial information but I can still see BBC1 randomly invited panellists this morning still confused. One woman said she wanted to vote leave because we don't have border control. This is not the basis for a good result if leave wins on ignorance, especially on a narrow margin.
In 5 year time, we'll know how the EU deals with the refugee crisis and the Eurozone with Greece. I think the picture will be much clearer. Voting for leave this time seems like we are selfish, running from problems that we have a share in their making.
In 5 year time, we'll know how the EU deals with the refugee crisis and the Eurozone with Greece. I think the picture will be much clearer. Voting for leave this time seems like we are selfish, running from problems that we have a share in their making.
The trouble with that strategy is the likelyhood that the return terms would be worse. The rebate would be lost for starters, and we'd be unlikely to get some of the special status measures we have now.
And new members have to accept the euro.
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And who was the chief culprit that started the process leading up to it?
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