and you are obviously not.
Grow up and accept we don't all want the same things.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Grow up and accept we don't all want the same things.
I think the net bill is about half that, £25bn.
it's complicated to calculate but this paper takes out a fair bit of guesswork.
https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/pb_barker_brexit_bill_3feb17.pdf
Woosh
When are you going to realise anyone on this thread who says anything remotely positive about Brexit must be an idiotic racist. Now just stop trying to be positive and face thread facts, our government are all fascists controlled by Rupert Murdoch,; any folk supporting leaving are misinformed, poorly educated and racist.
Its far easier to let OG and Bigot Tom grovel in their abject misery of thoughts of leaving. Just agree with them for goodness sake. You know you are wasting your time.
Good efforts and unbelievable patience with the pair of half wits tho.
When are you going to realise anyone on this thread who says anything remotely positive about Brexit must be an idiotic racist. Now just stop trying to be positive and face thread facts, our government are all fascists controlled by Rupert Murdoch,; any folk supporting leaving are misinformed, poorly educated and racist.
Its far easier to let OG and Bigot Tom grovel in their abject misery of thoughts of leaving. Just agree with them for goodness sake. You know you are wasting your time.
Good efforts and unbelievable patience with the pair of half wits tho.
oldtom said he's got an open mind.
Let's see when he opens his and accepts that other people may have different view.
Let's see when he opens his and accepts that other people may have different view.
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We should ask to see the EU accounts before we pay anything. How do they know what we might owe when they can't even get them signed off. Maybe they should get some back from the scams they have wasted billions on
the calculation includes accounts to render (RAL, reste à liquider) from 2014 to 2019, promises made by the EU government to member states up to 2023 and to their officials.
Our share of liabilities is around 12%.
The RAL amounts to about €29-36 billion.
The last big slice is the pension provision for EU officials and it is vast: €63.8 billion.
Our share of assets would offset some of these numbers, bringing the net amount to about £25 billions.
I think we will have to pay, however, the bigger the bill, the more justified the vote to get out of the EU. Imagine the size of the bill had we stayed another 20 years.
The EU is like all bureaucratic systems, you give them a credit card, they'll find ways to spend your money to promote themselves as indispensable.
Our share of liabilities is around 12%.
The RAL amounts to about €29-36 billion.
Our share of this European Strategic Investment Fund will probably disputed.
The last big slice is the pension provision for EU officials and it is vast: €63.8 billion.
Our share of assets would offset some of these numbers, bringing the net amount to about £25 billions.
I think we will have to pay, however, the bigger the bill, the more justified the vote to get out of the EU. Imagine the size of the bill had we stayed another 20 years.
The EU is like all bureaucratic systems, you give them a credit card, they'll find ways to spend your money to promote themselves as indispensable.
It's not so much as possibility as much as it's the answer to a prayer.
Theres people up here who don't care which side of that wall is in the Eu as long as it's a border. 
You do realise that's just another of the myths that was pedaled / exaggerated by vote leave before the referendum.
The accounts have been signed off - and I quote:
"The EU’s Court of Auditors regularly “signs off”—in its own words—the reliability of the accounts themselves, and has given them a clean bill of health for the last eight years."
So they have been signed off, and you can view them if you want.
https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/
'oldtom' didn't say that at all - you seem to have more issues than I thought previously.
Tom
I suspect a great many of these vociferous proponents of 'Brexit' are probably too young to have any memory of, or suffered from, the reality of major warfare. That perhaps mitigates slightly their ignorance and complete misunderstanding of the EU ideal.
For those who missed WW2, Korea, Aden, Palestine, Kenya, perhaps The Falklands too, there is no concept of war beyond what can be read in history books or watched in various TV channels and Movies. That is a long way away from having to vacate one's property and go a long way underground to avoid enemy bombs, never knowing whether there would actually be a home to which you can return.
Having to send children out of the cities into the care of people in the countryside, completely unknown, for a little more safety than was possible in the targeted towns and cities probably seems an alien concept. Equally, migrating children to foreign lands not impacted by war is probably a real stretch for the imagination. Fortunately, our children so delivered out of the UK when it seemed that we might be overrun by enemy troops at any time, were warmly received by their hosts, unlike their 21st century counterparts from war-torn regions in the middle-east and in Afghanistan.
People so affected by warfare, whether combatants or civilians, tend to be more interested in food and shelter than in stocks and share prices or currency fluctuations, difficult to grasp unless one has been under fire, taken as a POW, or witnessed death on an industrial scale, including family and friends.
I really do find it grossly offensive that so many can so blithely ignore the lessons of history and adopt racist views in this 21st century when they have probably never had to deal with the effects of major war and the kind of fear that instills in innocent people.
The creation of the EU is the greatest political initiative ever to come to fruition in world history and its value to the peoples of Europe particularly, is incalculable, yet in this thread, I read repeatedly about cost, about money, about value and so on, completely disregarding the most important element of the European Union, its people, their safety and well-being and the environment we are creating for our children and future generations.
It pains me to read certain individuals expressing the merits and demerits of the economy and how it may or may not benefit their personal wealth accumulation if this, that or the other should occur, suggesting they have much to gain or much to lose, depending on future events. It pains me because there are many far less fortunate who have nothing to lose and yet, those with much to lose happily support a government, representative only of those with accumulated wealth, when it sends our military forces to deliver further death and destruction on people who have nothing; people with nothing to lose and then they worry about their personal safety from the only way desperate people can respond when they have nothing left to lose.
It seems the slight possibility of a few extra pieces of silver for a very small number is more important than the welfare of our fellow man. Perhaps it has always been that way.
Tom
For those who missed WW2, Korea, Aden, Palestine, Kenya, perhaps The Falklands too, there is no concept of war beyond what can be read in history books or watched in various TV channels and Movies. That is a long way away from having to vacate one's property and go a long way underground to avoid enemy bombs, never knowing whether there would actually be a home to which you can return.
Having to send children out of the cities into the care of people in the countryside, completely unknown, for a little more safety than was possible in the targeted towns and cities probably seems an alien concept. Equally, migrating children to foreign lands not impacted by war is probably a real stretch for the imagination. Fortunately, our children so delivered out of the UK when it seemed that we might be overrun by enemy troops at any time, were warmly received by their hosts, unlike their 21st century counterparts from war-torn regions in the middle-east and in Afghanistan.
People so affected by warfare, whether combatants or civilians, tend to be more interested in food and shelter than in stocks and share prices or currency fluctuations, difficult to grasp unless one has been under fire, taken as a POW, or witnessed death on an industrial scale, including family and friends.
I really do find it grossly offensive that so many can so blithely ignore the lessons of history and adopt racist views in this 21st century when they have probably never had to deal with the effects of major war and the kind of fear that instills in innocent people.
The creation of the EU is the greatest political initiative ever to come to fruition in world history and its value to the peoples of Europe particularly, is incalculable, yet in this thread, I read repeatedly about cost, about money, about value and so on, completely disregarding the most important element of the European Union, its people, their safety and well-being and the environment we are creating for our children and future generations.
It pains me to read certain individuals expressing the merits and demerits of the economy and how it may or may not benefit their personal wealth accumulation if this, that or the other should occur, suggesting they have much to gain or much to lose, depending on future events. It pains me because there are many far less fortunate who have nothing to lose and yet, those with much to lose happily support a government, representative only of those with accumulated wealth, when it sends our military forces to deliver further death and destruction on people who have nothing; people with nothing to lose and then they worry about their personal safety from the only way desperate people can respond when they have nothing left to lose.
It seems the slight possibility of a few extra pieces of silver for a very small number is more important than the welfare of our fellow man. Perhaps it has always been that way.
Tom
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Just to be clear, that is not true. Your previous statement about me was a lie. Is there anything else you wish to reveal about your capacity for intelligent thought?
Tom
Here is another gentleman who was present when the Treaty of Rome was signed. He understood the importance of a united Europe.
Tom
Tom
so you continue to belittle and insult me.
Do you realize you are the only person who consider himself so superior?
Great comical comment there!
""Sir James Dyson, the billionaire investor, has said he is "enormously optimistic" about Britain's prospects outside the EU and believes that the UK has nothing to fear from a hard Brexit.
This wouldn't be the same Dyson that makes the Vacuum cleaners that Which Magazine rated as having the poorest design and manufacture standards with the worst complaints and customer care records would it?
And who moved manufacturing from the UK to Singapore?
What would that idiot with his badly designed, overpriced and unreliable
gimmicky products made in Singapore have to offer as advice on Brexit, other than the fact that he took the hint and moved production to the Far east?
Are all Brexit voters as detached from reality as you appear to be?
Still using the gratuitous insults? standard Brexit position of having your head in the sand, and since you couldn't make your mind up to vote for or against Brexit, why do you object so strongly?
So I am a half wit? what does that make you?
I think you manage that extremely well all by yourself, just by your contributions to this topic. If you possess any self-respect, you should desist from making such a fool of yourself in this public forum.
As for your statement that I consider myself superior, well, I have to confess that in your company, I most certainly am superior to you. Is that a problem for you? In any case, don't you like people with a confident, superior attitude? You seem to be a big fan of Farage, the PM and the chinless wonders who make a mockery of parliamentary democracy on the tory benches of the H of C.
Never mind; you probably possess some hidden talents that everyone will come to admire.....one day.
Tom
oldtom, yes, you are totally right as usual.
I bow to your superior intellect and your perfect command of the English language.
I bow to your superior intellect and your perfect command of the English language.
Old Tom have you stopped beating your wife yet?
You have me at a loss there D8ve, being as I don't have one of those. perhaps there is a point there that I have missed?
Tom