You may care for the EU, I only want to trade and holiday there.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Really then how do you square that with the fact that the Brexit voters amount to only 25% of the population?
Let me remind you it was a vote out of the blue involving a pack of lying politicians and a Public that trusted them as they were accustomed to being lied to all their lives.
Add to that the Public had to a very large extent no idea of what this is likely to cost them and still doesn't to this day.
I totally disagree with this. Theresa May is Mrs Brexit,I don't think she really cares how we leave the EU,just as long as we leave.
Brexit is a rope that is hanging Labour and neutralising UKIP and the Liberals,TM has no opposition.
Personally I think Brexit is going to be a disaster,we won't crack a deal with the EU and even WTO is going to be difficult,but this government don't care,if the economy goes to pot they don't care,which is why this government are so dangerous.
When it becomes a disaster they will hide it by borrowing more.
In the end the Leavers will wake up and realise they have been conned,but we will have left by then,I don't think the EU will want us back.
When people start getting hungry and food banks become mini supermarkets,if Labour has a good guy at the top then May will have some opposition but that will be beyond the next election.
Notice how this government don't care about the NHS,Social Care,Disability pensions.....why should they care when people start going hungry.
Theresa May is the party for Theresa May and a few of her cronies,nobody else,she is a cold uncaring person.
KudosDave
if what you say is all true then we'll see a lot of people will change their mind and follow Tony Blair.
I reckon the majority is like me, only want us to trade with the EU and holiday there.
If it's a disaster, then people will blame Mrs May for it, the next government will re-negotiate a better deal. You only have to wait until 2020.
She has not been lucky,all her moves are orchestrated and calculated,she has the media pretty much in her pocket......those behind her would have been marching alongside Mosley and the blackshirts.
Watch this lady with care,her new laws will take away a lot of our freedoms and rights and we will be powerless to do anything about her.
Shades of Germany and the nazis in the 30's
KudosDave
how do you know in advance that people will believe her?
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time.
Brexit showed that there are a large number of the U.K. population who were easily fooled. You have to admire her manoeuvres,she has managed to keep parliament away from a proper vote and avoid any possibility that the people have a chance to change their mind.
If I was Tony Blair I would avoid brollies and tea shops.
KudosDave
Blair's speech should have been delivered by Jeremy Corbyn but he didn't have the nerve to do so.....Corbyn was shackled by those Constituences that had a heavy leave vote and he is not an orator.
But Corbyn should have been brave and looked to the 16 million (maybe more) Remainers,at least that would have given him a reason to exist,as it is May has nicked many of his leftie voters.
But Corbyn is a fair and honest guy,he is no match for scheming Theresa May.
KudosDave
But Corbyn should have been brave and looked to the 16 million (maybe more) Remainers,at least that would have given him a reason to exist,as it is May has nicked many of his leftie voters.
But Corbyn is a fair and honest guy,he is no match for scheming Theresa May.
KudosDave
Possibly the majority of racists?
Do you actually know how many Britons live part of the year (snowbirds), or all year in the warmer climes of southern Europe? Don't research it; just understand that it's a lot and mainly older people.
Those people are happy to live out their latter years in dry, sunny climes and most have integrated with the local people in their chosen countries. In the future, there will continue to be large numbers of our countrymen and women who will choose to up sticks and do exactly the same. Attitudes like yours, though, are not conducive to harmonious relations between us and the peoples of Europe and may well disadvantage British people because the Germans, Irish, French, Belgians, Dutch and the Scandinavians will undoubtedly continue to move south and they will be made very welcome from the south of France, through Iberia, Cyprus, Malta, Italy and various Mediterranean islands.
We also have some who migrate much further afield through Africa and to Australasia and many, many other destinations but they won't have to contend with the ill-will that people with your attitude engender in our European neighbours. Those neighbours gave up their currencies to demonstrate their commitment to the EU while we have sat on the sidelines carping about everything to do with the institution - while bombing tribesmen in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, creating a mass exodus from those countries.
You must imagine that we Brits really are superior to all other nations but you should be aware of what happened to the last European nation to take that attitude in the 20th century. We are stuck with a fascist oligarchy while most of our neighbours have one type or another of socialist democracy or coalition government which provides a protective framework within which capitalism can operate in a fair way. The 27 sovereign EU nation states will continue perfectly well without our input but we are going to have to beg, borrow or steal to survive, reliant as we are on imports, much of those from EU nations.
What a perfect moment to take on the world now that we have no industrial base worth talking about and a currency which doesn't buy very much of anyone else's goods!
Tom
How can you say you want us to trade with the EU? You spat your dummy out when Southend council traded with an EU company and bought bikes from them.
possibly but irrelevant.
My last few posts addressed the effect that brexit and the likelihood that we will be out of the Single Market may have on small businesses. You tried to link it to snowbirds, OK. Let's discuss it. Before the UK even joined the EU, relationship with Europe was already good. Brits already lived there. There is no reason why that can't continue. They may need to apply for residency permits like in the old days but these permits are usually valid for 10 years. It's not a big issue.
You imagine that, not me.
That's your view. The brexit debate makes people see sense. It goes the same way for both groups of voters. I hope my last few posts have helped with putting the case for brexit from the point of view of millions of small businesses to remainers. Millions of SMEs have already had a hard time with ebay and amazon, brexit will help with reducing competition from the big companies (including ebay and amazon) that the EU has helped to prosper.
Strange that you imagine you will be better off when your customers aren't, how does that work?
I haven't worked that one out yet but give me a little time to think about it.
You should really qualify your outlandish claims because, as far as I can see, you are not articulating the views of any business, small, medium or large. You seem to have adopted the ostrich defensive ploy in the face of fair and reasonable competition and you express a desire to return to a point in history that may suit you but is unlikely to suit anyone else.
Unless you are the head of the CBI, how are you able to speak on behalf of millions? I'm afraid you really are making a bigger fool of yourself with every subsequent contribution you make to this thread.
Tom
Vox Political has drawn attention to the fact that the unelected fascist leader of the tories is still lying, just as all tories and 'Brexit' movers lie to the electorate. This is appalling behaviour even by the low standards of tories.
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/02/18/lying-to-the-electorate-theresa-may-tries-to-buy-with-lies-tory-votes-in-stoke/
Tom
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/02/18/lying-to-the-electorate-theresa-may-tries-to-buy-with-lies-tory-votes-in-stoke/
Tom
The JJDO blog provides us with a timely reminder of the qualities of another liar as portrayed in this snapshot from a by-election in B-liar's constituency.
A liar and major war criminal by the standards others have been judged yet still allowed to walk the streets. A disgrace to humanity!
Tom
A liar and major war criminal by the standards others have been judged yet still allowed to walk the streets. A disgrace to humanity!
Tom
so when someone disagrees with you, they are fools and you are not?