Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

The biggest asset he has is the lineup of hopefuls ready to replace him. It looks like a reunion of first week firings from the past decade of Alan Sugar’s The Apprentice.

Someone pointed out that Liz Truss has recently swapped her voice for a deeper more Thatcheresque styled one The big jobbie must be preparing herself for the big job!

Still think it's Sunak next..
He at least looks competent... And doesn't drink or party.. Which might be a problem at no 10.

 

[Zlatan]

Any Tory member thinking of voting for Truss in a leadership election need to watch this interview.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1438165401339416576

Wonder what his tone would be if sat next to her, bit of a pillock isn't he.. And if it were Rayner he was sat next to she, d floor him.

 

[daveboy]

Was your Pfizer/BioNTech booster vaccine after AZ first and second doses like mine?

I'm now regretting I got the booster, here's why.

After my heart troubles gave me a very bad 2020 with 26 lesser heart attacks including many of painful tachycardia, I finally got it under control with alterations to medication and other life changes.

So it was with a lot of relief that from 28th January 2021 to 16th December 2021 I had no attacks at all.

However on 30th November 2021 I had the booster which was painful for several days after.

On 16th December I was woken in the night with a painful tachycardia attack. Since then I've had 9 further painful tachycardia attacks waking me in the following nights, each lasting two or more hours, leaving me feeling sick and weak each following day, including now after yet another attack last night.

That's too much of a coincidence for me. Having achieved a year without heart trouble of any kind, then two weeks after the booster once it had kicked in, the worst sequence of tachycardia yet despite absolutely no changes of any kind in my life, other than the booster.

It seems this risk has long been known and a British study among others online has shown raised risks of such heart inflammatory events due to the Covid-19 vaccines.

So there's no way I'm having any more of them. I'm angry about this current situation after a year of welcome relief and just hope that the ill effect wears off over time.
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Are you taking Aspirin? A friend of mine had the same thing (plus a constant mild headache) and he cured it by taking Aspirin.....which makes me think it's a blood thickening problem.

 

[Woosh]

For all his faults, there is no other Tory politician who has Boris Johnson's political reach

The Prime Minister's chief policy is turning out to be a success. MPs should not force him to resign merely as an act of fury

www.telegraph.co.uk

And wait for the reminders about the vaccine, the booster campaign and success (OK subjective) of Brexit.
He's certainly not gone yet..
And ofcourse the reminders about Starmer enjoying a pint with a group mid lockdown... Plus Rayner getting on box quite often.. Which won't need any comments to make the point.

BJ is a goner. It's not a question of if, just when.
The 58 red wall seats will flip at the next election.
They did not go to TM but went to BJ last time because of his 'levelling up' promise.

without the red wall seats, the tories can't have a majority in parliament.

 

[Zlatan]

BJ is a goner. It's not a question of if, just when.
The 58 red wall seats will flip at the next election.
They did not go to TM but went to BJ last time because of his 'levelling up' promise.

without the red wall seats, the tories can't have a majority in parliament.

Probably, but not yet.Over two years to election...
Doubt the red wall will be changed one way or another by having Sunak or Truss in his place. Chances of Starmer getting in no 10 are still remote.Probably worse.. His manifesto will see to that.(not forgetting Nandy, Rayner, Corbyn and the likes throwing banana skins around)
Labour will self destruct, what's left of them that is. Guaranteed. Can you imagine Starmer's lead upto election? I, m bored already. They should sack him.

 

[Mrs Honeyman]

Still think it's Sunak next..
He at least looks competent... And doesn't drink or party.. Which might be a problem at no 10.

What about Jeremy Hunt? He’s clean as far as parties and being contaminated by Johnson’s is concerned. All the other prominent hopefuls have been touched by Johnson and are therefore soiled to varying degrees.

 

[Zlatan]

What about Jeremy Hunt? He’s clean as far as parties and being contaminated by Johnson’s is concerned. All the other prominent hopefuls have been touched by Johnson and are therefore soiled to varying degrees.

He seems to be keeping his head down. Probably means plans are afoot.
His dislike of Boris is well publicised but whether he, s in contention or not I have no idea.
His problem is he has criticised the lot of them so doubt he's popular with any, but make him PM and watch rest swoon.???
Apparently Johnson does a dance with a light Saber.. The mind boggles.

 

[oyster]

He seems to be keeping his head down. Probably means plans are afoot.
His dislike of Boris is well publicised but whether he, s in contention or not I have no idea.
His problem is he has criticised the lot of them so doubt he's popular with any, but make him PM and watch rest swoon.???

I think that, while he obviously did not know when the opportunity would arise, he has been working towards becoming leader since he lost out last time.

I wonder how much support he might have managed behind the scenes?

 

[Woosh]

Probably, but not yet.Over two years to election...

we'll have local council election in May.
That will be a test for BJ, whether he's still an election asset for the conservatives. By then, people will be hit by rising prices and extra taxes. Most won't be happy with BJ.
Any swing to Labour or Libdems, he'll be forced to resign, and that looks certain at the moment.
I would put my bet on Hunt or Gove. Sunak has no proven record (measured by better living standard, Javid did better than him) and Truss has zero charisma and no good record in her previous posts.

 

[flecc]

Are you taking Aspirin? A friend of mine had the same thing (plus a constant mild headache) and he cured it by taking Aspirin.....which makes me think it's a blood thickening problem.

I can't take aspirin, like many I'm allergic to it since it causes stomach damage and pain.

Anyway it couldn't help since my heart is physically damaged and for several years it's taken very little to tip me over into attacks. I just have to live a carefully balanced life to avoid them. The booster rocked the boat, but just over six weeks later there's signs its wearing off now. More evidence that the vaccines "benefit" declines rapidly over three months?
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[flecc]

Still think it's Sunak next..
He at least looks competent... And doesn't drink or party.. Which might be a problem at no 10.

Agreed, I think they might be wary of a third Tory female PM after the legacies of Margaret Thatcher and TheresaMay. It's still a party wholely run by men.

A steadying non-controversial hand would be better if they have any sense.
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[Woosh]

More evidence that the vaccines "benefit" declines rapidly over three months?

agreed.
That's a fundamental issue with the new mRNA/DNA based vaccines.
We don't talk much about the Chinese vaccine, CoronaVac, an inactivated vaccine. It may have suited you better.

 

[Mrs Honeyman]

we'll have local council election in May.
That will be a test for BJ, whether he's still an election asset for the conservatives. By then, people will be hit by rising prices and extra taxes. Most won't be happy with BJ.
Any swing to Labour or Libdems, he'll be forced to resign, and that looks certain at the moment.
I would put my bet on Hunt or Gove. Sunak has no proven record (measured by better living standard, Javid did better than him) and Truss has zero charisma and no good record in her previous posts.

I think they’ll need a completely clear out to fully rid themselves of the stench of Boris Johnson. Every minister is contaminated by association, Sunak, Truss ….. every one of them.

I don’t trust Sunak anyway. He comes over as “a nice clean cut boy”. But I wonder if you got on the wrong side of him if you’d find yourself on a patch of wasteland rolled into the centre of a burning carpet? He just seems that type to me.

 

[oyster]

I think they’ll need a completely clear out to fully rid themselves of the stench of Boris Johnson. Every minister is contaminated by association, Sunak, Truss ….. every one of them.

I don’t trust Sunak anyway. He comes over as “a nice clean cut boy”. But I wonder if you got on the wrong side of him if you’d find yourself on a patch of wasteland rolled into the centre of a burning carpet? He just seems that type to me.

Everyone who has served as a minister (or anything else) under Johnson has that stench enveloping them. Hence Hunt looks possibly well-placed.

 

[Zlatan]

Everyone who has served as a minister (or anything else) under Johnson has that stench enveloping them. Hence Hunt looks possibly well-placed.

Thing about Boris, which ultimately could be his down fall, is the fact he doesn't actually have a particular political leaning (OK he's a tory but has frequently used socialist policies) and neither has he built a group of devout followers to back him whatever happens.(Corbynistas, Blairites) His route to power was his bludgeoning approach and general popularity,without which he has little to offer. But, as I keep saying, he hasn't done yet. He has always got away with more than others... Decider will be Birmingham. Labour will win it but if they increase majority at expense of Tories... Well it could be "go, and take your wall paper with you"...
But, he, s still more support than May had...at her most popular.
Starmer and Rayner thinking they are attacking him at PMQ is ridiculous. They are just a noise to him. Insults /criticism from either are water off a duck's back to him.
Folk behind scenes pulling strings in Tory party are a different matter. They are watching, Sunak and others circling..

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Thing about Boris, which ultimately could be his down fall, is the fact he doesn't actually have a particular political leaning (OK he's a tory but has frequently used socialist policies) and neither has he built a group of devout followers to back him whatever happens.(Corbynistas, Blairites) His route to power was his bludgeoning approach and general popularity,without which he has little to offer. But, as I keep saying, he hasn't done yet. He has always got away with more than others... Decider will be Birmingham. Labour will win it but if they increase majority at expense of Tories... Well it could be "go, and take your wall paper with you"...
But, he, s still more support than May had...at her most popular.
Starmer and Rayner thinking they are attacking him at PMQ is ridiculous. They are just a noise to him. Insults /criticism from either are water off a duck's back to him.
Folk behind scenes pulling strings in Tory party are a different matter. They are watching, Sunak and others circling..

They're not attacking boris (they care even less about him, other than as an opportunistic stepping stone), they're attacking his (and anyone that support him's) credibility. It's part of a process that started with boris sacrificing the credibility of all tory mps by whipping them into trying to change the rules to defend owen Patterson lobbying.
Ergo, they're attacking the credibility of the conservative party. Quite successfully. Not least because its led by a pillock of celestial proportion.

 

[Mrs Honeyman]

Thing about Boris, which ultimately could be his down fall, is the fact he doesn't actually have a particular political leaning (OK he's a tory but has frequently used socialist policies) and neither has he built a group of devout followers to back him whatever happens.(Corbynistas, Blairites) His route to power was his bludgeoning approach and general popularity,without which he has little to offer. But, as I keep saying, he hasn't done yet. He has always got away with more than others... Decider will be Birmingham. Labour will win it but if they increase majority at expense of Tories... Well it could be "go, and take your wall paper with you"...
But, he, s still more support than May had...at her most popular.
Starmer and Rayner thinking they are attacking him at PMQ is ridiculous. They are just a noise to him. Insults /criticism from either are water off a duck's back to him.
Folk behind scenes pulling strings in Tory party are a different matter. They are watching, Sunak and others circling..

There’s something about the way people refer to him as Boris. Like he’s an acquaintance. You have done it in your post above. This is where he excels and it’s his greatest strength. Did we ever refer to previous Prime Ministers as, Theresa, David, Gordon, Tony, John, Margaret, Jim, Edward or Harold? We call this idiot Boris as though he’s a friend. How did that happen z? When he does something atrocious, we tend to say, “oh it’s only Boris, that’s what he’s like, the rascal.” It’s incredible and he gets away with it. He’s highly skilled in this area.

 

[flecc]

There’s something about the way people refer to him as Boris. Like he’s an acquaintance. You have done it in your post above. This is where he excels and it’s his greatest strength. Did we ever refer to previous Prime Ministers as, Theresa, David, Gordon, Tony, John, Margaret, Jim, Edward or Harold? We call this idiot Boris as though he’s a friend. How did that happen z? When he does something atrocious, we tend to say, “oh it’s only Boris, that’s what he’s like, the rascal.” It’s incredible and he gets away with it. He’s highly skilled in this area.

And that is why I've posted that he may well lead the Tories into the next election. He is a proven survivor against the odds.
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[Danidl]

I can't take aspirin, like many I'm allergic to it since it causes stomach damage and pain.

Anyway it couldn't help since my heart is physically damaged and for several years it's taken very little to tip me over into attacks. I just have to live a carefully balanced life to avoid them. The booster rocked the boat, but just over six weeks later there's signs its wearing off now. More evidence that the vaccines "benefit" declines rapidly over three months?
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There are low release types of Aspirin , which will not cause the same stomach irritation..I am required to take it daily to help thin the blood.

 

[flecc]

There are low release types of Aspirin , which will not cause the same stomach irritation..I am required to take it daily to help thin the blood.

Thanks Danidl, but I've no need for aspirin and it wouldn't help in this case anyway. I only know of the stomach problem from long ago when aspirin was the most common pain killer, there's abundant alternatives now of course.
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