Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Did you watch how BJ apologised in the HoC and for what?
He commented that although he was there, people should see that he did not break any Covid rules.
Zlatan may find it's OK that BJ shared a drink with his staff but at the time, I am not the only one who could not go see my family because of Covid rules and I was not even one of those who have lost someone to covid. It's no wonder that I found his behaviour reprehensible.
He did break Covid rules at the time and is still trying to deny it.

Of course his apology was a sham.

Of course he shared drinks with his staff.

Of course he behaves reprehensibly.

Of course he denies breaking rules.

That is who he is, who he has always been, and who the public in full knowledge voted for to lead the country.

They are so stupid they'll probably vote for him again when the Tory lie machine gets going at a future election.

So let them suffer him, it's our democracy at work, one chance every few years to choose and then pay for the choice.

I'd rather have had Corbyn anytime.
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[flecc]

I don't think BJ would have stolen their ideas. BJ was making promises to gain people's approval when he needs it but he's not particularly prepared to deliver so if he seems to borrow a policy from JC (I can't think of one, but just for the sake of argument, assume that there are), he would not have followed it, Sunak would not let him have the money.

Your memory is truly shocking.

Upon election Boris Johnson appointed Sajid Javid as Chancellor, who that Autumn 2019 promptly announced a large investment program to boost the economy, Corbyn's principal policy.

Then the transport minister he appointed, Grant Shapps, created a shock when he nationalised Northern Rail and warned they were not likely to be the last by any means. He also confirmed that the government would continue to run Eastern Rail and control Southern until it performed far better.

Nationalising rail was a key Corbyn policy and the only key Corbyn policy Boris Johnson's government didn't follow was nationalising water.

All this was in the Autumn of 2019, before Covid, and it led to the Johnson government being commented on as the most socialist Tory government ever.

The socialist style spending on Covid by Rishi Sunak was just the icing on the Tory Corbyn cake, AFTER Johnson sacked Sajid Javid from the chancellorship when he resisted spending in that way.

Ergo, all of the following of Corbyn's policies was entirely the doing of Boris Johnson, yet you have the nerve to suggest otherwise.
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[Woosh]

Upon election Boris Johnson appointed Sajid Javid as Chancellor, who that Autumn 2019 promptly announced a large investment program to boost the economy, Corbyn's principal policy.

can you tell me what they are?

Then the transport minister he appointed, Grant Shapps, created a shock when he nationalised Northern Rail and warned they were not likely to be the last by any means. He also confirmed that the government would continue to run Eastern Rail and control Southern until it performed far better.

Rail franchises turn out to be far less profitable so our government could not find any business willing to take over the failed franchises. They were forced into acting as last resort operators, not by choice.

Nationalising rail was a key Corbyn policy and the only key Corbyn policy Boris Johnson's government didn't follow was nationalising water.

I don't think this current government nor the next will have any appetite to borrow to nationalise anything. Taxpayers are up to their eyes with current level of national debts.

The socialist style spending on Covid by Rishi Sunak was just the icing on the Tory Corbyn cake, AFTER Johnson sacked Sajid Javid from the chancellorship when he resisted spending in that way.

Sunak only spends big bucks on Covid related areas. He is starving other departments beside foreign aids. That's his appeal to the conservative voters.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

we will never know in our lifetime what Corbyn/McDonald's economic plan would turn out to be.
Covid has indeed inflicted 20% GDP extra national debt, so the idea of borrow to invest large amounts of money would not go down well with the majority of taxpayers.
I don't think BJ would have stolen their ideas. BJ was making promises to gain people's approval when he needs it but he's not particularly prepared to deliver so if he seems to borrow a policy from JC (I can't think of one, but just for the sake of argument, assume that there are), he would not have followed it, Sunak would not let him have the money.

Covid hasn't inflicted 20% extra national debt - Boris' catastrophic mismanagement has. ill informed lifting of lock down triggering stop start economic anginas and much longer periods of enforced lock down with enormous furlough cost. and that's before considering the corruption, non existent ferry companies, ppe tendering etc etc. the greased piglet has been a catastrophy in every possible sense.

 

[wheeler]

Good to see the Haunted Pencil doing his bit for the Union.

Jacob Rees-Mogg calls Douglas Ross a lightweight

The leader of the House of Commons reacts to the Scottish Conservative leader's calls for the PM to go.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[flecc]

can you tell me what they are?

Now you are just being awkward for the sake of it.

Javid announced the program without precisely detailing it, just as Corbyn did. The detail follows as implemented, but of course Covid plus his sacking stopped investment for growth dead in its tracks.

Some reminders of my posts over the last two years:

31-1-20
My best news this week isn't the Brexit day, it was midweek with the Tory admission that Labour is and always has been right on rail. That was when Grant Shapps said the nationalisation of Northern Rail will not necessarily be the only one to join the existing nationalised Eastern Main Line in being run by the DfT.

26 - 5 - 20
Remember that with Sajid Javid as chancellor and long before Covid-19 there was the start of the big cash giveaway and the nationalisation of Northern Rail, with Grant Shapps saying they wouldn't be the last.

1 - 11-20
I concern myself with the important, the policies, and Corbyn's were so good that the Tories are following them. And that isn't due to Covid. When Boris was elected and appointed his ministers last Autumn, long before Covid struck, his then chancellor Sajid Javid announced their major cash investment program to expand the economy. And his transport minister then, Grant Shapps, announced the nationalisation of Northern Rail and added ominously that they wouldn't be the last. Both very much Corbyn's policies.

13 - 3 - 21
Boris Johnson has followed Corbyn's main policies of nationalising underperforming rail networks, having his first chancellor Sajid Javid announce large scale investment to boost industry plus extra investment in the NHS and now his second chancellor Rishi Sunak doing the same on both.

They were pure Corbynism, obviously backed by Cummings leftist instincts, and the Tories didn't like it one bit.
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[Woosh]

Now you are just being awkward for the sake of it.

Javid announced the program without precisely detailing it, just as Corbyn did. The detail follows as implemented, but of course Covid plus his sacking stopped investment for growth dead in its tracks.

Some reminders of my posts over the last two years:

31-1-20
My best news this week isn't the Brexit day, it was midweek with the Tory admission that Labour is and always has been right on rail. That was when Grant Shapps said the nationalisation of Northern Rail will not necessarily be the only one to join the existing nationalised Eastern Main Line in being run by the DfT.

26 - 5 - 20
Remember that with Sajid Javid as chancellor and long before Covid-19 there was the start of the big cash giveaway and the nationalisation of Northern Rail, with Grant Shapps saying they wouldn't be the last.

1 - 11-20
I concern myself with the important, the policies, and Corbyn's were so good that the Tories are following them. And that isn't due to Covid. When Boris was elected and appointed his ministers last Autumn, long before Covid struck, his then chancellor Sajid Javid announced their major cash investment program to expand the economy. And his transport minister then, Grant Shapps, announced the nationalisation of Northern Rail and added ominously that they wouldn't be the last. Both very much Corbyn's policies.

13 - 3 - 21
Boris Johnson has followed Corbyn's main policies of nationalising underperforming rail networks, having his first chancellor Sajid Javid announce large scale investment to boost industry plus extra investment in the NHS and now his second chancellor Rishi Sunak doing the same on both.

They were pure Corbynism, obviously backed by Cummings leftist instincts, and the Tories didn't like it one bit.
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Nobody wanted to take over Northern Rail. Same thing happened to Virgin Trains.
If BJ and his government were at all interested in re-nationalisation, there would have been follow-up announcements since.
They even drag their feet on HS2.

13 - 3 - 21
Boris Johnson has followed Corbyn's main policies of nationalising underperforming rail networks, having his first chancellor Sajid Javid announce large scale investment to boost industry plus extra investment in the NHS and now his second chancellor Rishi Sunak doing the same on both.

Extra spending on the NHS is necessitated by the record breaking 6 million people on waiting list and the merging of NHS and Social Care. They don't even manage to improve on either count.

 

[oldgroaner]

I wonder which MP cried "****"? come on now who was it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481357445566021640

 

[flecc]

Nobody wanted to take over Northern Rail. Same thing happened to Virgin Trains.

If course nobody ever wants to take on the responsibility of rail.

But that doesn't alter the fact that it was Boris Johnson's Autumn 2019 policy to do so where necessary. Let me remind you once more of Grant Shapps words after announcing the nationalisation of Northern Rail:

" - - -and they won't necessarily be the last rail company."

They didn't have to nationalise anything, they could just have taken over the running as they've done several times before such as with Eastern Rail and Southern.

The fact that they did nationalise Northern is proof absolute that it was their policy to return rail companies to public ownership where felt necessary, Corbyn's policy.
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[Woosh]

They didn't have to nationalise anything, they could just have taken over the running as they've done several times before such as with Eastern Rail and Southern.

BJ and his government was forced into nationalisation of Northern Rail because of the pension deficit of £580 millions. Not something that they would have liked to do.

DfT OLR report:

DfT OLR Holdings Limited: annual report and accounts 2019 to 2020

DfT OLR Holdings Limited's annual report and financial statements for the year ended 31 March 2020.

www.gov.uk

 

[flecc]

BJ and his government was forced into nationalisation of Northern Rail because of the pension deficit of £580 millions. Not something that they would have liked to do.

Then why did Shapps say they wouldn't necessarily be the last?

Which doesn't alter the facts of what happened, not just to rail but the announcement of a huge expansion program for growth, Corbyn's policy.

You are beginning to sound like Boris with all the squirming to avoid the obvious truth. The political observers all commented on the Tory adoption of Corbyn's policies at the time, with some shock it has to be said, and never more so than with Shapps' announcement on Northern.

It seems you were the only person not to have noticed.
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[Woosh]

Then why did Shapps say they wouldn't necessarily be the last?

Rail franchises don't make as much money as they thought, so there is little appetite to take on some of the regional franchises. Government can expect more franchises will fail and when that happens, the DfT will have to step in.

As for Shapps, he is not the decider.

Which doesn't alter the facts of what happened, not just to rail but the announcement of a huge expansion program for growth, Corbyn's policy.

Are we talking about the Northern Power House and Levelling Up agenda? It's been just hot air.

You are beginning to sound like Boris with all the squirming to avoid the obvious truth.

You should know by now that I am none of the Boris admirers.

It seems you were the only person not to have noticed.

The size of the rail franchises is not huge. They started at 25 then mergers brought their numbers down. 4 were handed back to government.
If the money was good, they would not have forfeited their franchises in the first place.
In principle, government pays nothing to take them back to public ownership so it's a non-event.
Honestly, if the franchise companies are not listed on the LSE then they are not worth much. That's the case with the rail franchises.
If they try to re-nationalise water, then it's a big deal but they are not going to do that are they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_rail_franchising_in_Great_Britain

 

[flecc]

Rail franchises don't make as much money as they thought, so there is little appetite to take on some of the regional franchises. Government can expect more franchises will fail and when that happens, the DfT will have to step in.

As for Shapps, he is not the decider.


Are we talking about the Northern Power House and Levelling Up agenda? It's been just hot air.


You should know by now that I am none of the Boris admirers.




The size of the rail franchises is not huge. They started at 25 then mergers brought their numbers down. 4 were handed back to government.
If the money was good, they would not have forfeited their franchises in the first place.
In principle, government pays nothing to take them back to public ownership so it's a non-event.
Honestly, if the franchise companies are not listed on the LSE then they are not worth much. That's the case with the rail franchises.
If they try to re-nationalise water, then it's a big deal but they are not going to do that are they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_rail_franchising_in_Great_Britain

You are just arguing in circles, with irrelevancies.

The government didnt have to, nor will it have to nationalise any rail company. Failed pension funds are commonplace with none of the organisations involved nationalised. They are left to sink.

The huge investment announcement by Javid was, as I've twice already said, in expanding the economy. Not Northern Powerhouse specific or levelling up. It was a carbon copy of Corbyn's policy for the entire economy.

Irrelevant now since the largely unnecessary expenditure on Covid has crippled any chance of massive wide ranging speculative investment by anyone.

You remain one of tiny minority of people in this country who didn't see that Johnson adopted Corbyn's policies. It's not as if it was new behaviour, he did exactly the same with the first London mayoralty when he continued with Ken Livingstone's policies lock stock and barrel, adding only a few crackpot notions which have failed.

Boris Johnson is a man devoid of any sensible new ideas, like the majority of backward looking Tories. That's why he employed Dominic Cummings as an advisor.
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[flecc]

Only 24 hours ago I warned that Prince Andrew's legal troubles could result in the Queen being implicated. LINK

Within that brief time we now see hasty moves to disengage him from the family by removing his titles and ranks, casting him adrift as a private citizen.

You see it's not just the government who closely follow our thread, the palace officials do as well, maybe even the Queen herself.
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[oyster]

Tories in Scotland seem to be casting Johnson adrift.

Quite possibly, the Welsh tories as well.

 

[Mrs Honeyman]

The timing of this Chinky Spy being discovered is suspicious. Create a non-existent enemy threat and tell people you will protect them from it. The tactic works every time, especially when the Prime Minister is in the poo.

 

[flecc]

Only 24 hours ago I warned that Prince Andrew's legal troubles could result in the Queen being implicated. LINK

Within that brief time we now see hasty moves to disengage him from the family by removing his titles and ranks, casting him adrift as a private citizen.

You see it's not just the government who closely follow our thread, the palace officials do as well, maybe even the Queen herself.

See above, if you want to know the future, watch my posts.

For example, back in 2019 I said Boris Johnson could require the Queen to prorogue parliament, shutting it down to get him out of his fix at the time. I was told by almost everyone in here that I was talking nonsense, until Johnson went to the Queen and did exactly that. LINK

And in May 2018 I forecast that Savid Javid would be made the next Chancellor of the Exchequer. Well over a year later in December 2019 Boris Johnson did just that.
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[wheeler]

The timing of this Chinky Spy being discovered is suspicious. Create a non-existent enemy threat and tell people you will protect them from it. The tactic works every time, especially when the Prime Minister is in the poo.

It's a double-barrelled approach comprising the spy story and the one about Mrs Windsor's laddie, Andrew.
Probably an indication of just how deep in the keich the blonde bawbag is.

 

[wheeler]

See above, if you want to know the future, watch my posts.
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You wouldn't have 6 numbers for Saturday would you?

 

[Mrs Honeyman]

The police are waiting for Downing Street to investigate themselves to see if they can find any evidence which incriminates them. Presumably the CCTV footage they have of a party taking place isn’t good enough.