Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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While the EU countries still do their best to keep cases low, BJ is playing with fire.
He just does not understand science.
 
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Jesus H Christ

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While the EU countries still do their best to keep cases low, BJ is playing with fire.
He just does not understand science.
I wouldn’t have believed this 18 months ago, but I don’t think anyone in government understands coronavirus.

The U.K. seems to be heading in the opposite direction, in terms of strategy, to every other nation on the planet. Today, we have bust through 30K new infections and the gradient is getting steeper. The government’s response is to scrap simple non intrusive safety measures such as face masks.

BJ is gambling with everyone’s wellbeing and he’s not got a good hand. If he loses, next winter is going to be really bad.

Shaven headed, fat necked Brexit dad can forget his lager and burger on a Spanish beech. The U.K. is going to end up on every country’s red list. It will make no difference if we lift travel restrictions, no one else will accept disease ridden Brits.
 

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I see Grant Shapps is to scrap the Lorry Driver's limited hours to try to fudge round the driver shortage
This government is obviously made up of the type of idiot that we had as WW1 generals
 
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flecc

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BJ is gambling with everyone’s wellbeing and he’s not got a good hand. If he loses, next winter is going to be really bad.
He doesn't care. Some 97.9% of us have survived Covid so far.

Even if we now suffer on top four times the death rate so far, we'll still have over 97% survivors with the UK Border Force topping up the numbers by picking up cross channel boaters.

This is the reality of Britain today, nothing, but nothing, really works as it should any more and people have become a self topping up expendable commodity from a pool of over 7 billions, taking second place to both the economy and political expedience.
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Article taken from today's Irish Times. .. the Author is John Bruton. As you read it, and he has had a career even as the EUs top Ambassador, you will see he is no diplomat


The UK’s European Union negotiator and its secretary of state for Northern Ireland published a remarkable article in The Irish Times last week .

They complained of what they called the “inflexible requirement to treat movement of goods [from Britain] into Northern Ireland, as if they were crossing an EU external frontier, with the full panoply of checks and controls”.

It appears they never read the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol which is part of the Agreement under which the UK withdrew from the EU. For this is precisely what the UK agreed to, in great detail, in the Protocol.

Annex 2 of this Protocol lists the EU laws which are to apply “in and to the UK in respect of Northern Ireland”.

The first item on this very long list is Customs Code of the EU. This is a rigorous code with exacting procedures, as the UK knows well.

Also listed are EU laws on the collection of trade statistics, product safety, electrical equipment, medical products, food safety and hygiene, GMOs and animal diseases. The list is specific. It refers to each item of EU legislation by its full title.

The UK is fully familiar with all the legislation in the Annex, because the UK, as an EU member state at the time, took part in drafting each one of these laws. It also had a reputation as a country that applied EU laws more conscientiously than most.

These controls have to be enforced somewhere. This can be done either at a land border or at a sea border.

The UK ministers, writing in The Irish Times, say preventing a hard land border on the island of Ireland remains essential.

So, if the controls are not to be exercised on the land border in Ireland, where do the UK ministers propose to exercise them?

The two ministers make no attempt to answer this question. They offer no constructive suggestions at all, apart from using slogans such as “balance” and “flexibility” in the implementation of the very precise laws listed in the Protocol.


The ministers do not attempt to deal with the requirements for protecting Ireland’s position as a member of the EU Single Market. They do not deal with the possibility that, if product parts or food ingredients, that do not meet EU standards, can come into Northern Ireland, cross the border, and thus become incorporated in an EU supply chain originating here, our position as part of the EU Single Market is undermined. It would not be long before there would be calls from continental competitors for checks on goods originating in Ireland at continental ports and airports. All that would be needed to set that off would be a single event, perhaps to do with a scandal over food standards.

Let us not forget that the UK government has said they propose to diverge from EU standards in future. Indeed Boris Johnson said divergence is the “whole point” of Brexit. UK standards may be similar to ours now. That will not be the case five years from now.

At the end of the article, the two ministers say that, if solutions are not found (although they do not offer any), “we will of course have to consider all our options”. In diplomatic terms, for British ministers to use such words, in an Irish newspaper, is menacing.

A large non-EU state is threatening a small EU state, with whom it has a land boundary, with unspecified actions, because of the out working of an international Treaty, to which the larger state freely agreed, less than two years ago.

Nowhere in the article by the two ministers is there even a hint that they take responsibility for the Protocol they negotiated. If a business man agreed a binding contract a year or so ago, then did not like part of it, and wanted to renegotiate that part, one would expect him to be somewhat apologetic and to offer alternative ways of achieving the goals of the other party. But there was no hint of either contrition, or constructiveness, in the article of Lord Frost and Brandon Lewis . . . just menace.


It is clear from the article of the two ministers that they have no intention of using the grace period as intended by the EU, to allow traders to make adjustments to their supply chains. They intend to use the time inciting feeling against the EU and endeavouring to pressurise EU states individually, in the hope that the EU will dilute or corrode the legal foundations of EU Single Market, in the interest of domestic UK politics.

There are suggestions that the UK even wants the EU to recognise the new goods standards the UK will make, as somehow “equivalent” to EU standards, and give them the same rights to circulate in the EU as goods from the 27 EU states, that comply to the letter with EU standards. A dangerous precedent would be set. If the EU conceded this to a country that had left the EU, existing EU members would soon look for their own local exceptions to EU standards, and the Single Market would wither away.

Brexit was a British idea. Brexit means border controls. They should deal with the logical consequences of their own freely chosen policies.

John Bruton is a former taoiseach and EU ambassador to Washington
 

Jesus H Christ

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I see Grant Shapps is to scrap the Lorry Driver's limited hours to try to fudge round the driver shortage
This government is obviously made up of the type of idiot that we had as WW1 generals
Just what we want. A tired lorry drive nodding off at the wheel on a smart motorway, and a family of four stationary in a broken down Focus 1/2 mile up the road.
 

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Just what we want. A tired lorry drive nodding off at the wheel on a smart motorway, and a family of four stationary in a broken down Focus 1/2 mile up the road.
Just as well this government isn't responsible for things with massive safety risks like nuclear power stations and weapons, armed forces, air traffic control, ...

Funny they didn't see fit to let ordinary car owners defer MoT tests, etc.
 

Woosh

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He doesn't care. Some 97.9% of us have survived Covid so far.
only because we have lockdown and other measures.
Today, we have 32,548 cases, all the stats: cases, hospital admissions and covid deaths went up 44% in the last 7 days,
At this rate, by the end of July, cases will hit 100,000 a day.
By the end of August, 420,000 a day.

What will BJ do if case number keeps growing?
 

oyster

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only because we have lockdown and other measures.
Today, we have 32,548 cases, all the stats: cases, hospital admissions and covid deaths went up 44% in the last 7 days,
At this rate, by the end of July, cases will hit 100,000 a day.
By the end of August, 420,000 a day.

What will BJ do if case number keeps growing?
If he gave any impression of actually being numerate, count the bodies.
 
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Jesus H Christ

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only because we have lockdown and other measures.
Today, we have 32,548 cases, all the stats: cases, hospital admissions and covid deaths went up 44% in the last 7 days,
At this rate, by the end of July, cases will hit 100,000 a day.
By the end of August, 420,000 a day.

What will BJ do if case number keeps growing?
Would it actually hit 420000 / day? At that rate, after a couple of weeks the whole country would have it. Think of all the long COVID cases.
 

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