Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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How does a ball being caught in a net four times have any relevance to Brexit?

4 days after the referendum:

England 1 Iceland 2


4 years after the referendum:

England 4, Ukraine 0


Was the inspiration that made the change possible due to Brexit feeling, or was it just a far better manager? Who knows?
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Does anyone know if Parliament will be fully reopening after 19/07? No masks, no social distancing, sitting shoulder to shoulder and that sort of thing?

I’m curious to know if the scrapping of all measures intended to protect us is just for the little people, and the important people will continue to have options to protect themselves.
 
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The scrapping, or as The Daily Express puts it, the bonfire of face masks, has been described by those who’s lifetime of expertise is invested in the subject as, opening a giant Covid variant factory.

Even the Health Secretary, Mr Power Stance himself, says it’s likely that new variants that render current vaccines ineffective will emerge.

I don’t think we should be running away or hiding from Coronavirus, but we do need to live differently. We can’t just scrap everything and pretend it’s not there. For example, if it’s rife in schools, don’t just give up and scrap the bubble system, invest in air purification, filtration and ventilation.

I still don’t know what the big deal is with being asked to put a tissue over your mouth & nose when indoors.
 
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Does anyone know if Parliament will be fully reopening after 19/07? No masks, no social distancing, sitting shoulder to shoulder and that sort of thing?

I’m curious to know if the scrapping of all measures intended to protect us is just for the little people, and the important people will continue to have options to protect themselves.
Given that the government is set on abandoning all Covid precautions, the obvious likely outcome is a rise in cases. OK, it is claimed that those with full vaccination are less likely to need hospital treatment, but the numbers who do need admission are probably going to be considerable. What progress has been made in treating Covid in such cases?

Have we stocked up on antibodies such as in the Regeneron cocktail?
Have we stocked up on Remdesivir - or something similar?
Are there any other treatments available which we are getting ready? (I know of some and, due to my special interest, use of thyroid hormone might be of critical importance though research is still progressing. It is a complicated area in which what might initially appear obvious could flip several times before getting onto a solid grounding.)

(I know we might use dexamethasone - but supplies of that are more likely available.)

A fair number of those who had relatively mild Covid have gone on to long Covid, how much attention has been paid to those cases? Collecting a few numbers, it appears that almost a million in the UK are suffering long Covid with around 400,000 suffering for over a year. Are we prepared for a major increase?

Depending on who to believe, there have been of the order of 5 million known cases of Covid. Doubling that leaves over 50 million not yet infected. Of whom many will be children. But if we end up in a let it rip situation, the numbers going on to suffer long Covid could be awful.
 
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4 days after the referendum:

England 1 Iceland 2


4 years after the referendum:

England 4, Ukraine 0


Was the inspiration that made the change possible due to Brexit feeling, or was it just a far better manager? Who knows?
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The words "four years" always resonate:
4 years after the revolution​
And the old kings execution​
4 years after remember how​
Those portia took their final bow​
String up every aristocrat​
Out with the priests and let then live on their fat​
Four years after we started fighting​
Marat keeps up with his writing​
Four years after the bastille fell​
He still recalls the old battle yell​

 
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Does anyone know if Parliament will be fully reopening after 19/07? No masks, no social distancing, sitting shoulder to shoulder and that sort of thing?

I’m curious to know if the scrapping of all measures intended to protect us is just for the little people, and the important people will continue to have options to protect themselves.
Turning up for their job is optional in parliament for MPs, Sinn Fein for example never physically took a seat that was won.

The statement "We will have to learn to live with Covid" is incomplete. Here's the unsaid complete version:

We will have to learn to live with Covid.

We will have to suffer Covid illness from time to time as we do 'flu.

Some of us will have to learn to suffer and live with long term Covid.

We will have to learn that Covid deaths will be as routine as deaths from cancer and heart attacks.
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Given that the government is set on abandoning all Covid precautions, the obvious likely outcome is a rise in cases. OK, it is claimed that those with full vaccination are less likely to need hospital treatment, but the numbers who do need admission are probably going to be considerable. What progress has been made in treating Covid in such cases?

Have we stocked up on antibodies such as in the Regeneron cocktail?
Have we stocked up on Remdesivir - or something similar?
Are there any other treatments available which we are getting ready? (I know of some and, due to my special interest, use of thyroid hormone might be of critical importance though research is still progressing. It is a complicated area in which what might initially appear obvious could flip several times before getting onto a solid grounding.)

(I know we might use dexamethasone - but supplies of that are more likely available.)

A fair number of those who had relatively mild Covid have gone on to long Covid, how much attention has been paid to those cases? Collecting a few numbers, it appears that almost a million in the UK are suffering long Covid with around 400,000 suffering for over a year. Are we prepared for a major increase?

Depending on who to believe, there have been of the order of 5 million known cases of Covid. Doubling that leaves over 50 million not yet infected. Of whom many will be children. But if we end up in a let it rip situation, the numbers going on to suffer long Covid could be awful.
This government is under the impression that retreating defeated against an implacable foe is a good idea
This isn't a case of a second version of "Dunkirk"
Simply an acceptance of unconditional surrender
 
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Turning up for their job is optional in parliament for MPs, Sinn Fein for example never physically took a seat that was won.

The statement "We will have to learn to live with Covid" is incomplete. Here's the unsaid complete version:

We will have to learn to live with Covid.

We will have to suffer Covid illness from time to time as we do 'flu.

Some of us will have to learn to suffer and live with long term Covid.

We will have to learn that Covid deaths will be as routine as deaths from cancer and heart attacks.
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The inference we are supposed to draw being that if we are diligent students and do this learning properly, all will be well.

Not that we will simply live with Covid. Suffer with Covid. Die with Covid. And, if we survive, go on to suffer long Covid.

Not that the health services need to be managed so as to handle this as well as possible. No, back to blaming the patient. If we die, "So sad, he didn't learn to live with Covid."
 

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The simple truth is that there is no guarantee that herd immunity can be gained faster than Covid mutates, and is able to defeat whatever vaccines we develop .This is total war We either destroy the virus completely Or face millions of deaths and disabilities in the future,
 

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.This is total war We either destroy the virus completely Or face millions of deaths and disabilities in the future,
might take us a generation to get the upper hand in this fight.
Corona viruses are hard to beat because as a society, we eat a lot of chickens. Chickens are natural reservoir for corona viruses.
 

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The inference we are supposed to draw being that if we are diligent students and do this learning properly, all will be well.
There is some truth in this, blame China.

They have handled Covid-19 brilliantly, to the extent that researchers even in the Wuhan area where it originated had difficulty finding samples.

If we cannot eliminate Covid in our advanced western countries, we certainly cannot eliminate Covid worldwide. And if it remains worldwide it is not eliminated anyway and will frequently return.

So given the impossibility of this situation, we will increasingly see the new UK "Live with it" attitude spread in the West, justified by China's excellent handling of covid due to the discipline of their population:

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There is some truth in this, blame China.

They have handled Covid-19 brilliantly, to the extent that researchers even in the Wuhan area where it originated had difficulty finding samples.

If we cannot eliminate Covid in our advanced western countries, we certainly cannot eliminate Covid worldwide. And if it remains worldwide it is not eliminated anyway and will frequently return.

So given the impossibility of this situation, we will increasingly see the new UK "Live with it" attitude spread in the West, justified by China's excellent handling of covid due to the discipline of their population:

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The impossibility of dealing with this situation is simply because of the sort of idiots that get voted into positions where they can prevent effective action
 
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might take us a generation to get the upper hand in this fight.
Corona viruses are hard to beat because as a society, we eat a lot of chickens. Chickens are natural reservoir for corona viruses.
Ironically it was the end of food rationing that caused the popularity of Chicken, as it was not possible to increase the production of red meat to meet the new level of demand for meat by the public.
If my memory serves me well, I seem to recall
At first people suffered from chicken being undercooked till there was a campaign by the government to stress the importance of thoroughly cooking them
 
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So given the impossibility of this situation, we will increasingly see the new UK "Live with it" attitude spread in the West, justified by China's excellent handling of covid due to the discipline of their population:
I expect the overall outcome will be for the better.
More people want to work from home, less long distance commuting, less crowding on trains, better air quality etc. I wouldn't mind too much that air travels continue to be restricted to essential trips only.
The area of concern is education.
 

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