If you'd prefer a different view:
https://londondaily.com/eu-cannot-be-trusted-britons-warn-boris-as-barnier-plans-to-release-tell-all-diary
Which is rather more "don't let the public know how we screwed it up".
Brexit, for once some facts.
- Thread starter flecc
- Start date
https://londondaily.com/eu-cannot-be-trusted-britons-warn-boris-as-barnier-plans-to-release-tell-all-diary
Which is rather more "don't let the public know how we screwed it up".
That's being silly and showing your bigotry on this subject.
Most of what the Guardian publishes are quotes direct from Barnier who makes perfect sense. He says what I so often said in the last four years:
“I do wonder what, until now, has prevented the UK from becoming ‘Global Britain’, other than its own lack of competitiveness,” he writes. “Germany has become ‘Global Germany’ while being firmly inside the EU and the eurozone.”
He could have said similar for Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, France and even Italy and Ireland, all successfully trading globally from within the EU.
Brexit is a disaster for Britain and will remain so.
.
Last edited:
Like the article I posted other day you enjoyed destroying.. The point in that was the results of survey where 20% of ecar owners decided to go back to ICE. Only difference I didn't call you bigoted over your silly response.
Point was 20% went back to ICE, you homed in on slight misuse of power units by author...
Guardian articles are probably the most biased in our entire media. You fail to see it because of your bigotry.
Time you all grew up. We, ve left EU. Our involvement in the experiment is over and much as you all like to imagine we will return, we never will. It's simply sour grapes and remainers insisting on doing what they do best. Find negative aspects and moaning about them. Barnier is a has been and only a touch biased... He messed up. As EU did.
Oh, and by the way, we still have a Tory government, a failing Labour Party and Boris in power. Things aren't going to change anytime soon, irrespective of all the noise made by Starmer, Cummings (now one of your heroes?) or Barnier.
Quoting Barnier is another example of how desperate anti govt brigade have become. You supporting him same.
Its noise and will not affect anything.
When or if we had an alternative folk might start listening but whilst we haven't it's just something for folk on here to get excited about.
Last edited:
On the basis he appears to be mulling a run at the French presidency, I wouldn't write him off as a "has been".
France expert says ’Britain is in better position than Europe’
A LEADING France expert has praised Brexit as a "success," telling the BBC that Britain is in a far better position than Europe.
www.express.co.uk
French think differently Flecc.
"Oh, but that's the biased Express"
Cuts both ways Flecc.
Well he is hopeless but better than Micron so let's hope he does.
He couldn't be worse could he?? Failed EU negotiator, was involved in disastrous vaccine roll out. Perfectly qualified to replace Micron.
That was a silly article for many reasons.
Nine in 10 electric car drivers would never go back to petrol
https://uk.motor1.com/news/299997/ev-drivers-wont-return-petrol/
If we are not going to see any new ICE cars from 2030 (in the UK), at least some of the issues, like idiotically trying to charge from a USA 120V outlet, are likely to be addressed. Which would cut the 20% down substantially.
Brexit LIVE: UK decision vindicated as Ireland turn on EU
IRELAND's fishing industry has ordered Micheal Martin's Government to stand up to Brussels over the imposition of "draconian" rule changes to the way the sector operates.
www.express.co.uk
I trust Barnier rather more than Putin:
Hillary Clinton says Russia meddled in Brexit vote 'Evidence of suborning officials'
HILLARY Clinton slammed Russia for meddling in elections, with the former US Secretary of State blaming Vladimir Putin for influencing the result of the Brexit vote.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1431620/Brexit-news-Hillary-Clinton-latest-Russia-referendum-intervention-uk-election-hacked-vn
Hillary Clinton says Russia meddled in Brexit vote 'Evidence of suborning officials'
HILLARY Clinton slammed Russia for meddling in elections, with the former US Secretary of State blaming Vladimir Putin for influencing the result of the Brexit vote.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1431620/Brexit-news-Hillary-Clinton-latest-Russia-referendum-intervention-uk-election-hacked-vn
The article posted the results of a survey in State involved. 20% of ecar owners went back to Ice. How is that silly?
We are years away from infrastructure for even a quarter of us to drive electric cars. You are in same dream as flecc.
They are as yet a non starter for 80% of drivers..
Mate has a Tesla, how does he drive to Cornwall?? He can't without hours planning and hours waiting. Its rubbish.
Driving to work and back daily, it's fine. Weekend and holidays he, s stopped using it. Bought a Range Rover. Great for environment. 2 massive cars instead of 1.
Or perhaps get a hybrid. Drive about in a diesel car with 400kg of emotors and batteries. Brilliant idea.
Could always buy a generator for boot of Tesla. That would work...
Electric cars and Hybrids in their current form are biggest con in automotive history.
They can't and won't work for most of us. Imagine a car that could only hold 2 gallons (at most) of fuel and it takes 4 hours to put it in. Nobody would buy it.
Last edited:
Our food production is tied mostly to the EU.
Our industrial products are tied to EU norms.
Soon enough, we'll have to negotiate access to EU's financial services.
we'll rejoin EU institutions by necessity albeit slowly, the ECJ will regain its influence over time.
Just wait and see how the fight over NI protocol and access to EU fishing boats is going to progess.
Well we'll see over all that but none of it means rejoining.
Rules emanating from Brussels and a complete strata of redundant Governence has just slipped into history books. Thankfully.
Bias based on relevance and fact is sensible, bias based an irrelevance and falsehood isn't.
A quoted but unsupported 20% returning to ICE in the USA with its very long distances has no relevance whatsoever to us, so why post it? Especially your raising it as a reply to a completely different subject.
And then there's your constant invention of what others post, all falsehoods existing only in your own mind. Only the other day you fabricated that "we" in this thread, presumably your opposition, supported capital punishment and would wish BJ to be the first to benefit. I for one have been a lifelong opposer of any capital punishment and the only supporter of it that I'm aware of in this thread is one of your supporters, JHC.
Your invention above that Cummings is a hero of mine, nothing could be further from the truth, I have no time for him and his views.
Your invention that Barnier messed up, when it's widely accepted that he did an excellent job in the face of the intractable difficulties presented by the incompetence of our own negotiators who repeatedly had to be replaced and on two occasions had to have PMs step in to take over.
As I've observed to you before, those inventions and irrelevancies are what small children do, something normally lost with maturity, making you of all people telling me to grow up very silly indeed. I was grown up and mature enough to stick to facts and not fabrications before you were even born.
Here's some facts:
The Guardian is very left biased, but with facts, such as what Barnier actually published. The Mail and Express in contrast regularly publish outright lies which they know to be completely untrue. Ergo the mature among us see the difference that the Guardian is the more reliable source.
The Tories and Boris Johnson are indeed in power with Labour in the doldrums, and as you rightly say, that isn't going to change at present. Indeed I'm expecting the Tories will win Hartlepool.
The reason is simply the same stupidity and incompetence of the British public that prompted them to vote for Brexit. The same blind incompetence and stupidity that led us to fail so comprehensively in almost every international market from 1950 to the present. The same lazy incompetence that means we won't even pick our own vegetables, preferring, despite our out of control debt, to borrow even more to employ others to do it for us.
Britain is an idle, spent, washed up nation at a fork in the road. The British people will soon have to make their choice, either completely change their behaviour and lose the lazy assumption that we are in any way superior, or continue downhill into second or even third world oblivion and irrelevance as a quaint tourist destination.
You are right that telling the people how dumb and poor performing they are doesn't win votes, but neither does not telling them. All that does is let the country slide further down the terminal slope we're on.
.
Last edited:
What utter nonsense! Today's pure e-cars work for most of us.
Average annual mileage of male drivers is 9000 miles, equal to 173 miles a week or about one or two charges of today's e-cars.
Average annual mileage of female drivers is 5500 miles, equal to 106 miles a week or less than one charge of today's e-cars.
Only a very small minority of drivers regularly drive very long distances, most only very occasionally drive a long way and many never do. A few chumps buy an unsuitable car and then like you foolishly and wrongly say they are no good for everyone else.
What you seem to miss is that almost all the charging is done at home without our involvement.
It's happening when are indoors with our feet up or fast asleep. Think of all the time saved on up to 98% of our not having to fill up at fuel stations, far more time that we spend on an occasional long journey in charging.
It gives us 200 mpg cost, even 400 mpg in some cases.
And finally there's yet again your silly fabrication, this time 2 gallons and four hours to put it in. Even my over three year old loads the equivalent of 4 gallons (160 miles) in 40 minutes from a commonplace rapid charger and the newer ultra rapid chargers with this many of year's models load at two or three times that speed, according to model.
That it takes eight hours to fill up at home while I'm asleep at home is irrelevant.
Pure I.C. cars, vans and even trucks and buses are about to largely disappear for good. Some of our excessive or inappropriate driving will disappear too, no bad thing.
.
Last edited:
You, ve bought into the propoganda selling them.
If you live in or near a city, I agree they are fine... But all folk I know do many short journeys with quite occasional longer ones. Holidays, weekends away, events etc. Just explain how one would suit any of my mates doing weekly round trips to coast (circa 175 miles) with no charging at destination.? Yep, probably do it with 3 miles to spare... Then how on earth do I (or anyone else) plan a trip to Barra or South of France (when that becomes possible). Its a complete none starter.
A vehicle hasn't just got to work for 80% of its use, its got to be capable of doing job all year,fron daily commute, carrying family to sports events, pulling stuff and then carrying folk on holiday.
And that's before we start the logistics at filling stations. Assume 50% of folk go electric... Time in services would quadruple, so they, d need to be 4 times bigger. How's that work?
Ecars work fine as the exception. Once we get anywhere near large numbers for them roads will grind to a halt.
As for your argument justifying Guardian. Utter BS. Yep, agreed Mail and Express are biased, prejudiced... Call it what you want, but Guardian is no better. Its actually worse because it hides behind a veil of decency.
Our media is appaling, all of it. None of them seem capable of simply reporting facts and news. They all put their own narrative into it, and at that Guardian is the worst.
Express and Mail are a blanket, shot gun approach to biased news. Guardian is more targeted and unswerving. Its corrupted many on here and amazingly they don't even see it. Seems including yourself.
We all deserve better media than the one we get. Guardian should be on list with many others of being stopped.
Last edited:
The Welsh Tesla, a Model 3 in Plaid trim, has a 390 mile range - claimed.
Which should easily cover, approximately, Sheffield to Cornwall. And there are three Tesla Supercharger locations near Bristol. Giving 200 extra miles range in fifteen minutes.
My heart bleeds for your mate. Especially if it takes him hours to work that out.
Oh - and that article is silly because it actually thinks that someone being unable to charge from a USA 120V socket is an issue.
Anyone with two, maybe three, brain cells would ask how long it would take to charge before buying.
So as an issue, it could conceivably be a pre-sale issue. Post-sale, it is silly.
Yep, agreed, he had to be mad to buy an electric car. We all told him but he has more money than sense and he bought Tesla convinced it would out accelerate his Porsche (he, s a garage owner). Which it could... For about 15 minutes, after which warning comes up... "Battery overheating".. Slow down..
Tesla and a few top end cars were an exercise in getting silly fast cars accepted as green cars. Which they undoubtedly are (fast) , but they ain't fast and green.. But utterly soulless, and utterly useless on long journeys..
Claimed mileages are BS. We all know that. Go out and drive a Tesla like its capable (even without battery over heating) and there is no way on earth it would get that mileage. So, he has bought a Tesla, but to get to Cornwall has to drive it like a Fiesta Diesel... Sort of negates the £75k he spent on it.
And, yes, he can and does use network for charging... And it's free for him.. A bloody great big queu to get on last time. And that's whilst we have so few ecars on road. (that's why he stopped using it, waited 3 hours to get on one)
The charging points sit unused for days, even weeks on end... Then come bank Holiday they fill up... Now there, s a shock.
They are utter rubbish. No better than 10 years ago. We need a giant leap in battery technology or an alternative. Anybody convincing themselves we could go electric cars (and vans) in next 10 (20?)years (without massive improvement) is deluded, probably reading Guardian too much.
Last edited:
In days past, where I lived, it could take three hours to do ten miles down the road - on a bank holiday weekend. Especially if the weather was nice. And fuel stations would frequently run out - if not of all fuels, of at least one. And refreshments.
Very simple answer - don't travel when everyone else is also travelling. Applies to land and sea and atmospheric density.
Since I've always wanted an e-car from decades before there were any since I knew how superior they were back at the 1900s, clearly that isn't true
Be realistic, how many drive to Barra or the South of France? As I've just shown you, for the great majority e-cars are very convenient and entirely practical. So what if an occasional ultra raidcharge taked 15 to 30 minutes during an occasional long run when I've saved all the many hundreds of times of pulling into fuel stations, standing at the pump filling up, going to pay etc. Add that lot up and it's far more time, and often in uncomfortable circumstances.
The first two they do now and no reason why the family can't go on holiday in an e-car. Charge breaks are then often welcome, given how many times one needs to stop for kids, toilets, refreshments etc Forget pulling stuff like caravans, that daftness of of towing a home is going thank goodness
You are so far out of date. How's that work? Very well thanks, it's already working fine.
We already have a number of charging stations with up to 36 rapid and ultra rapid charge points each, compare that to the typical 4 to 8 pump ICE station. If you only but knew it the speed of progress on charging is phenominal with charge points more than doubling ICE fuel stations already and soon more than trebling.
Happening from now, the national EV charging station roll out for BP Pulse will include state of the art ‘hubs’ of between six to twelve chargers, as well as the next generation of ‘e-forecourts’ with up to 24 ultra-rapid chargers (300kW) with on-site solar PV and battery storage systems supplied by Leclanche SA. The e-forecourts will have both retail and convenience facilities for drivers while they are waiting for their cars to be charged.
Shell have announced similar, multiplying by over 8 times their existing charge points, showing hoe the ICE fule copmanies are panicking to catch up with the independents.
All this is essential since the need will be there so soon. Peugeot won't be releasing any new ICE cars after 2023, Jaguar-Land Rover and Volvo after 2025 and some others will also be abandoning ICE by then. Long before the 2030 deadline the choice of ICE cars will be very much smaller than now.
However there's one thing you are completely missing on the charging subject. All ICE filling up is done at fuel stations. Over 90% of all e-car filling up is done at home, so we don't have to replace the filling stations with even more charge points than pumps. Charge points are mainly only needed for the minority of longer runs.
And we'll stick with charging at home since its so very much cheaper.
.
That's a brilliant solution. Buy a Tesla and sit in front room.
Look, I love driving mates Tesla. And most other electric cars I, ve driven have an immediacy often lacked in many cars. In some ways they are great... But they do not solve our transport issues, do not represent the green credentials every body thinks and have very serious flaws at moment.
My everyday car is a 2.0 Diesel Jaguar XF. Its great. Really quiet, fast enough when asked, would hold 120 mph all day long, carries 5 in comfort with all their luggage. Handles fantastic. Averages 48mpg and if taken steady can do 60mpg. Costs £30 a year to tax. I could fill it with fuel and do 600 miles. (I have done) It takes 10 mins to refuel. I don't have to plan journeys around filling stations, if one is busy I, ll drive to next. Tell me an electric car that can compete. There isn't one... Yet... And I suspect taking production into account, rare metals and battery life I bet environment wise mates Tesla does very similar damage as Jag does.
And that isn't mentioning the fact our electricity generating system couldn't cope charging all our cars even if we had infrastructure to charge them all. Its all a con. Tick box environmental gains.