Brexit, for once some facts.

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the EU's job is to source the vaccines, it's up to member states to jab their citizens.
For example, France may want to insist on individuals getting personal medical advice, others don't.
In our case, we are limited by stock.
Someone said the NHS could vaccinate the whole country in one week if we had the vaccines.
"Someone said the NHS could vaccinate the whole country in one week if we had the vaccines."... That makes sense to me. Giving a jab is not rocket science. Anyone, especially St Johns Ambulance, Knights of Malt, Dentists, Vets, can do the job.. and as I have said, I have given myself the flu jab on a few occasions.
 
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There has been criticism when countries have gone alone recently. No matter who is responsible it is not admirable. Remainers don't like to see or admit it but rightly or wrongly it has been seen as a vindication of Brexit. Just because it isn't in your mind (many on here) doesn't mean it isn't in thousands of others both here and abroad.
I do think it could mark a change for the worse in attitudes towards EU in general for many EU countries. Listen and read the comments coming out of France. (there was one in here other day from France 24)
Here is the truth
" Member states were free to opt out of this supranational scheme, but none did so. "
This is very much equivalent to our PPE fiasco
Trusting people with no previous experience of doing the job to make a success of it.
And the EU failed, just as we did with PPE

This is like the Fishermen who voted for Brexit complaining about it.
 

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Read my previous post!. Not only the ratification, which is an EU Parliament matter, but any discussion on financial services will now be long fingered. Simon Coveny, was as livid ,as he allows himself to be today, and used the" trust is broken " sentence at least 4 times in interview this morning. He said that he and the EU trade commissioner had nearly structured a deal which would have met basically all the concerns in a bilateral arrangement, but that is now blown out of the water. The EU weather is turning Frosty.
 

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Read my previous post!. Not only the ratification, which is an EU Parliament matter, but any discussion on financial services will now be long fingered. Simon Coveny, was as livid ,as he allows himself to be today, and used the" trust is broken " sentence at least 4 times in interview this morning. He said that he and the EU trade commissioner had nearly structured a deal which would have met basically all the concerns in a bilateral arrangement, but that is now blown out of the water.
The American dumped here shortly after birth has demonstrated once again
An exquisitely gruesome sense of timing to play macho man, and send in his chief goon, exactly timed to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory.
It's like the Monty Python "Fish Dance"

 
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oldgroaner

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Read my previous post!. Not only the ratification, which is an EU Parliament matter, but any discussion on financial services will now be long fingered. Simon Coveny, was as livid ,as he allows himself to be today, and used the" trust is broken " sentence at least 4 times in interview this morning. He said that he and the EU trade commissioner had nearly structured a deal which would have met basically all the concerns in a bilateral arrangement, but that is now blown out of the water. The EU weather is turning Frosty.
Sorry I missed that one!
 

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Read my previous post!. Not only the ratification, which is an EU Parliament matter, but any discussion on financial services will now be long fingered. Simon Coveny, was as livid ,as he allows himself to be today, and used the" trust is broken " sentence at least 4 times in interview this morning. He said that he and the EU trade commissioner had nearly structured a deal which would have met basically all the concerns in a bilateral arrangement, but that is now blown out of the water. The EU weather is turning Frosty.
it'll blow over in the summer.
Still better than dealing with two crises at the same time.
 

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Again and reading the Zlathan provided article, the EU was a month behind , in ordering so everything else should only have been a month behind the UK. It now appears that the UK is importing AZ product from India.!
UK signed the deal during May 2020, the EU during August. Three months behind. Both contracts have the “best efforts” wording.
 

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Wonder if this contributes to our death rate??
It certainly doesn't help but we are far from alone as the article shows.

I've long considered that BMI is causing some the problem. Most people with a BMI just over 25 aren't really fat so to call that overweight is offputting. Equally calling a BMI of 30 obese is both insulting and unnecessary and likely to make many give up trying to control their weight.

Just like so many other animals, we were designed by evolution to fatten up in the most plentiful times of the year to carry us through the lean times so a BMI of 30 to 35 or even 40 for a while is entirely natural. The only problem we have is that we fail to lose the weight through the lean times since supermarkets don't have those, but expecting us to all be at the minimum weight point of under 25 BMI year round is wholly unreasonable and unnatural.

Much better to move both measurement points up by 5 to make them more easily attainable and a more natural overall balance of year round weight. Once again the experts have got it wrong and are making a problem.

This appeal for change isn't personal, I'm always at less than 25 BMI.
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It certainly doesn't help but we are far from alone as the article shows.

I've long considered that BMI is causing some the problem. Most people with a BMI just over 25 aren't really fat so to call that overweight is offputting. Equally calling a BMI of 30 obese is both insulting and unnecessary and likely to make many give up trying to control their weight.

Just like so many other animals, we were designed by evolution to fatten up in the most plentiful times of the year to carry us through the lean times so a BMI of 30 to 35 or even 40 for a while is entirely natural. The only problem we have is that we fail to lose the weight through the lean times since supermarkets don't have those, but expecting us to all be at the minimum weight point of under 25 BMI year round is wholly unreasonable and unnatural.

Much better to move both measurement points up by 5 to make them more easily attainable and a more natural overall balance of year round weight. Once again the experts have got it wrong and are making a problem.

This appeal for change isn't personal, I'm always at less than 25 BMI.
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I couldn't agree more about the BMI. Years and years ago I played Rugby at a fairly high standard and was at a college doing PE/Maths post grad.
The entire Rugby first team and 2/3rds of PE students had BMI over 28. None were fat. At all.
Mike Tyson I believe at his peak had a BMI well over 30. Wonder if somebody told him he was obese.???
Just crunched some numbers.
Mike Tyson currently has a BMI of 34.4.
When he was at the peak of his abilities it was 32.6.
BMI is, was and always will be a ridiculous stat. Subscapular fat and body fat %age are only real measures. It's a lazy measurement. Full of errors.
 
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We can agree to disagree on what the words" best efforts " means .That will no doubt appear in court.
The same words appeared in both the U.K. and the EU contracts, so whatever is decided in the court will apply equally to both. It’s just a shame that the EU were so late placing their order and I’m sure AZ made their Best Efforts to help the EU catch up.
 

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We can agree to disagree on what the words" best efforts " means .That will no doubt appear in court.
Don't think it will make court. Will simply demonstrate how badly it was handled. Nobody will want that.
And who benefits? Nobody. Well lawyers will. ECJ??? Would that be a fair body judge? The whole issue is a powder keg. EU will make noises about court but it won't get there.
 
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Just filled in the 2021 Census online.

Didn't seem as nosey as some previous ones but had lots of double check pages as if suggesting the answer first given might not have been true.

Perhaps they had Boris in mind. ;)
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This is effect I was talking about. Its very pronounced in people I speak with. I, m not criticising EU, like I have been reminded, its not my business any more, but there has been a massive change of attitude and I suspect more so abroad than here. Might not be deserved but the EU and individual governments are being blamed much more than the Pharma companies involved.
The stand out stat... 77% of uk respondents thought UK govt had handled vaccine roll out well.
In contrast 18% of French respondents thought their govt had.
They are stark figures and show a land slide of difference to how governments were seen to be handling pandemic. I, d go as far to say probably totally reversed.
All leaders have dropped in popularity. (from this poll) Including Johnson.??!!
Interestingly EU citizens appear to think uk govt has handled vaccine quite a lot worse than UK citizens believe? Could that be propoganda? Our's or EU's.(or both)
 
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This is effect I was talking about. Its very pronounced in people I speak with. I, m not criticising EU, like I have been reminded, its not my business any more, but there has been a massive change of attitude and I suspect more so abroad than here. Might not be deserved but the EU and individual governments are being blamed much more than the Pharma companies involved.
The stand out stat... 77% of uk respondents thought UK govt had handled vaccine roll out well.
In contrast 18% of French respondents thought their govt had.
They are stark figures and show a land slide of difference to how governments were seen to be handling pandemic. I, d go as far to say probably totally reversed.
As I pointed out earlier the numbers game works every time, that's why they don't mind the cost (so long as someone else is making the sacrifice)
 

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Sending the ex President into jail seems an impressive idea, sort of or maybe not..

Nicolas Sarkozy, who has announced his intention to appeal his three-year sentence despite the fact that two of those years have been suspended and the judge has told him he can serve the remaining year under home confinement, ie. where we’ve all been for the whole of the last twelve months. TAKE THE DEAL, SARKO.

What fun :D
 
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Just filled in the 2021 Census online.

Didn't seem as nosey as some previous ones but had lots of double check pages as if suggesting the answer first given might not have been true.

Perhaps they had Boris in mind. ;)
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Ah, but was in in a BIG font size? it would need to be:D
 
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As I pointed out earlier the numbers game works every time, that's why they don't mind the cost (so long as someone else is making the sacrifice)
OG I sat and simply shook my head in despair when I read this. We aren't really getting anywhere are we. Oh well,I,ve tried.
 
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