Brexit, for once some facts.

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If Covid doesn't exist what's going on in the hospitals at moment? They are just pretending in ICU??
Unless of course you mean

Covid 19 is 100% Fake. Bull crap. FTFY

Very strange.
What can you expect of someone who thought your daughter catching it was funny.
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COVID-19 is 100% FAKE Bull crap
Extremely disappointed with this comment, not the content but the fact it's been made at all. I much preferred the enigmatic POLLY that made the smiley symbol to many posts, and one or two posts had the like symbol. Now by actually making a comment POLLY is just like the rest of us:)
 

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A question for those of you that saw todays Covid briefing. Is the SA variant as infectious as the Kent variant or is it as infectious as the original Covid virus?

It was not totally clear to me what JVT was saying about the SA variant, he said it did not appear to be any more infectious than what is currently circulation in the UK. So I assumed he meant that it was no more infectious than the Kent variant, but then I thought did he mean it was no more infectious than the original variant, in which case that would be a good thing.
 

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What can you expect of someone who thought your daughter catching it was funny.
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I ignored it flecc. One born every minute. Think somebody else said it wasn't appropriate so that was better. No harm done. It happens.
I suppose at end of day we all have a right to our opinions. If he thinks Covid does not exist it sort of explains his smiley face... Giving him benefit, he wasn't smiling at her illness more at the fact he assumes it is not covid??? Still strange.. But there you go.
 

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Lord Adonis has managed more criticism of EU than many on here..

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If Covid doesn't exist what's going on in the hospitals at moment? They are just pretending in ICU??
Unless of course you mean

Covid 19 is 100% Fake. Bull crap. FTFY

Very strange.
Or "covid 19 is 100%. Fake bull crap". A bit like the instruction trump (or boris) might give to their followers: covid 19 is real. Go around defecating heaps of fake bull crap to distract everyone.
 
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I’ve always been of the opinion that if one case is found, it’s been here for a while, has spread and is out of control. We never stood any chance of containing the SA variant. Just hope it doesn’t become the dominant strain
I think we only check 1 out of every 30 positive samples to see which of the various types of virus it is. That would suggest instead of 147 examples of the SA virus we have found so far we in reality have 30 times that number.

This is assuming that those 147 examples were found from the random testing, this may well not be the case. I would think if random testing provides a SA example then anyone that person has come into contact with is first of all tested for Covid and any positive results are then further tested to see if they have the SA variant.

If this is what is happening then that would mean there are far less than 30 times 147 SA variants in the country.
 
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I think we only check 1 out of every 30 positive samples to see which of the various types of virus it is. That would suggest instead of 147 examples of the SA virus we have found so far we in reality have 30 times that number.
That was the gist of the comment I heard from an expert, that we have very much more than we think.

Given the lightning speed of the Kent variant spread, it seems very plausible.

I tend to think that any new infectant will spread rapidly since being new means it's less likely to meet any inherent resistance.
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It was not totally clear to me what JVT was saying about the SA variant, he said it did not appear to be any more infectious than what is currently circulation in the UK. So I assumed he meant that it was no more infectious than the Kent variant, but then I thought did he mean it was no more infectious than the original variant, in which case that would be a good thing.
I think he was intentionally ambiguous.
He gives some indication that behind the scene, government knows how dangerous the SA variant is and has a strategy to deal with it. In a way, it explains why the 12 weeks delay. If the real target is the SA variant then there is not much a point to give 2 doses before the booster is ready.
 
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I think he was intentionally ambiguous.
He gives some indication that behind the scene, government knows how dangerous the SA variant is and has a strategy to deal with it. In a way, it explains why the 12 weeks delay. If the real target is the SA variant then there is not much a point to give 2 doses before the booster is ready.
I thought they had decided on 12 week delay before arrival of SA mutation??? Think JVT etc are good but even I don't think they can read future..???
Just checked... SA variant arrived 23 Dec.. Change to vaccine delay decided 28th Dec, announced 30th...So its possible??? But at that stage we had 2 cases?? (or they had found 2 cases) So I think it's unlikely.
 
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I think he was intentionally ambiguous.
This is what makes me so unhappy, that everything being said by the politicians, medical experts and even the researchers now is deliberately ambiguous. I heard it again in Jonathan Van Tam's statement on today's covid show.

In a way, it explains why the 12 weeks delay. If the real target is the SA variant then there is not much a point to give 2 doses before the booster is ready.
Seems very unlikely to be achieved though. The 12 weeks or even th 14 weeks for the Pfizer doesn't get us remotely near to the Autumn target for a new version of the AZ.
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I thought they had decided on 12 week delay before arrival of SA mutation??? Think JVT etc are good but even I don't think they can read future..???
In fact the 14 week delay for the Pfizer between jabs came first very long ago.

I suppose the reason Woosh suggests is why they could be maintaining it rather than shortening the delay.
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Seems very unlikely to be achieved though. The 12 weeks or even th 14 weeks for the Pfizer doesn't get us remotely near to the Autumn target for a new version of the AZ.
I noted that a few people I know who have the Pfizer vaccine belong to the vulnerable group: high comorbidity.
I wonder if there is a deliberate strategy.
Also, since Cummings left, BJ seems to make a lot less mistakes.
 
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In fact the 14 week delay for the Pfizer between jabs came first very long ago.
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Not sure about that flecc. Daughter had first jab on 20th December. She was expecting 2nd 10th January (or thereabouts) Around 2 weeks after her jab she was contacted to say 2nd jab would be beginning of March.. That matches dates mentioned earlier.
As far as I, m aware AZ was always 12 weeks delay but at that time roll out had not started for AZ..
 
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