Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

I wouldn’t bet on it. Christmas Day infection deaths are just starting to kick in. A lot of people had a cheeky couple of extra days tagged on too (it won’t hurt), so that needs paying for. The New Year account will be due for settlement in about 10 days time as well.

It’s a grim outlook for a few weeks.

Afraid I tend to agree with you on this. Christmas day had 39,000 positive tests and carried on rising to a max 4 or 5 days ago. Generally deaths follow positive tests with around a 3 week delay. Suspect we might have 2 weeks of rising deaths.??? What a mess. Terrible.
We, re going to be wrong side of 100k by early Feb???

 

[oldgroaner]

The virus is now demanding payment for Christmas. It’s charged 1564 lives today and it’s still adding on interest. No option to switch this debt to interest free plastic.

I wonder if the families of the dead think the price of a “normal Christmas “ was worth it?

Where once we were suffering losses equivalent to the passengers and crew of a full 747 every day
We have managed to achieve a world class loss of the entire passengers and crew of the Titanic on the same time scale

Once upon a time we were scandalised when someone announced 20,000 deaths would be a good outcome.

 

[flecc]

Newton had it right. Physics should have said we know enough now and shut up shop in about 1938.

No. Newtonian physics gave us the industrial revolution which has caused the global warming and climate change threatening all our futures more certainly than Covid-19.

Halting in 1938 was far too late to avoid the harms of modern science. We should have stopped advancement beyond the ancient Greeks incorrect belief around 450BC in these four elements making up everything: earth, water, air, and fire.
.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Where once we were suffering losses equivalent to the passengers and crew of a full 747 every day
We have managed to achieve a world class loss of the entire passengers and crew of the Titanic on the same time scale

Once upon a time we were scandalised when someone announced 20,000 deaths would be a good outcome.

I remember 50,000 positive tests / day being predicted unless urgent measures were taken. That wasn’t long ago and look what has subsequently happened. We’ve bust through 60K / day. I also remember the Daily Mail readership dismissing the prediction, referring to Chris Whitty and JVT as Glum & Glummer.

An ICU nurse told me weeks ago that people were dying whilst waiting for other people on ventilators to die. It’s got a lot worse since then, they are finding people who have been lying dead in a hospital bed for several hours.

I don’t know why people can’t understand what they need to do. There is a clown on the London Assembly trying to get a new slogan going, Shake Hands, Show your Face & Share your Space. Why would you do that? The man should hang and I strongly disagree with the death penalty, but these are desperate times.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

There is growing evidence of aerosol transmission of Coronavirus in people’s breath. Something dismissed out of hand by .......

 

[Woosh]

Generally deaths follow positive tests with around a 3 week delay.

there are plenty of cases where death comes more rapidly especially among older patients, so the average spacing between peak in new cases and peak in deaths is about 16-17 days.

 

[Zlatan]

No. Newtonian physics gave us the industrial revolution which has caused the global warming and climate change threatening all our futures more certainly than Covid-19.

Halting in 1938 was far too late to avoid the harms of modern science. We should have stopped advancement beyond the ancient Greeks incorrect belief around 450BC in these four elements making up everything: earth, water, air, and fire.
.

Agreed. Newtonian physics gave us horrors of first world War and second but I suppose modern physics ended that conflict.
I suppose it's not the science causing problems is our idiotic use of it. Let's hope science can get us out of this mess.

 

[oldgroaner]

Agreed. Newtonian physics gave us horrors of first world War and second but I suppose modern physics ended that conflict.
I suppose it's not the science causing problems is our idiotic use of it. Let's hope science can get us out of this mess.

I doubt that! science seems to have reached a point where every benefit seems inevitably to result in collateral damage, usually completely it seems to the surprise of the culprits.
Hence the desire to atone that resulted in the Nobel Peace Prize
The only way you can top than one is to instigate an
"Attilla the Hun award for diplomacy"
I nominate the Leave campaign for one each

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris's ability to make decisions depicted
I'm so glad that the UK send Pakistan over £300m a year in IDA.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1349425594489036809

It's not so much the spectacular result as the imponderable of where the hammer landed

 

[Zlatan]

I doubt that! science seems to have reached a point where every benefit seems inevitably to result in collateral damage, usually completely it seems to the surprise of the culprits.
Hence the desire to atone that resulted in the Nobel Peace Prize
The only way you can top than one is to instigate an
"Attilla the Hun award for diplomacy"
I nominate the Leave campaign for one each

Says something about our civilisation and science when the peace prize is bequeathed from and in memory of.... a dynamite manufacturer. You couldn't write it.

 

[oldgroaner]

Says something about our civilisation and science when the peace prize is bequeathed from and in memory of.... a dynamite manufacturer. You couldn't write it.

My point exactly

 

[Zlatan]

My point exactly

I think he was the inventor behind Bofors of gun fame.

 

[oyster]

Given this:

The UK coronavirus vaccine rollout is constrained by limited supply of the vaccines, but the government is on track to vaccinate the top four priority groups by 15 February, Matt Hancock has said.

What is the point of this:

The government is to roll out 24/7 vaccinations centres, Boris Johnson has confirmed, after days of pressure on ministers to step up the programme further.

I can see that preparing for 24/7 might be appropriate (and a bit of a miracle to be ahead of need), but far more urgent to get the supplies.

 

[RossG]

Just back from Tesco's. No traffic light system in operation so stroll in and out at will, young lady in the entrance offering up hand sanitizer at shoppers choice. Quite busy inside but no queues at the checkouts, what I did spot at the tills was all staff now wearing masks throughout the store even behind screens at the checkouts.
I asks one young lad if they were told to wear them but he said no it was their decision, I do wonder how many staff members caught covid before they realised a Perspex screen doesn't give too much protection.
Message on the tannoy constantly running advising shoppers no mask no entry, I got the impression that included staff as well.

 

[Wicky]

a bit like Qanon,

Talking of Q - no not the James Bond one ... qanon shaman is having quite a 15 minutes of infamy.

By the way who is and who elected the Q bloke you revere...

 

[Zlatan]

Given this:

The UK coronavirus vaccine rollout is constrained by limited supply of the vaccines, but the government is on track to vaccinate the top four priority groups by 15 February, Matt Hancock has said.

What is the point of this:

The government is to roll out 24/7 vaccinations centres, Boris Johnson has confirmed, after days of pressure on ministers to step up the programme further.

I can see that preparing for 24/7 might be appropriate (and a bit of a miracle to be ahead of need), but far more urgent to get the supplies.

Even if we have limited supplies it makes sense to get them in arms as quickly as possible. (medically 400,000 in first 2 days is better than 400,000 in a week)
And it becomes a rehearsal for when supplies are not a problem.

 

[Nev]

Even if we have limited supplies it makes sense to get them in arms as quickly as possible. (medically 400,000 in first 2 days is better than 400,000 in a week)
And it becomes a rehearsal for when supplies are not a problem.

I agree but I doubt the Government will see it that way. They will be thinking about the optics, imagine all these large vaccine centers with no supplies, all the staff just hanging around looking bored.

BTW does anybody know how much supply we have in the country for say the next few days or the next week or so? Over the last couple of days I have seen several cabinet members being asked this question and they just wont answer it.

 

[vfr400]

Talking of Q - no not the James Bond one ... qanon shaman is having quite a 15 minutes of infamy.

By the way who is and who elected the Q bloke you revere...

Qanon is a CIA disinformation system. Tha shaman guy is an actor by profession.

 

[oyster]

 

[Woosh]

Qanon is a CIA disinformation system. Tha shaman guy is an actor by profession.

that may be - Trump uses the allure of crusaders to attract thugs to put the fright on those Reps who don't support him.
It's good that he's got impeached again.