Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

Not relevant.

Why?

They have a veritable illegal cottage industry

FBI Says ‘Boogaloo Boys’ Bought 3D-Printed Machine Gun Parts

A criminal complaint alleges that a West Virginia man disguised the plastic components as wall hangers and sold hundreds of them online.

www.wired.com

Who are the Boogaloo Bois? A man who shot up a Minneapolis police precinct was associated with the extremist movement, according to unsealed documents

White men wearing Hawaiian shirts and wielding rifles keep showing up at police brutality protests in the US. Here's what to know about Boogaloo Bois.

www.insider.com

 

[Danidl]

What your saying doesn't make sense at all. It's reasonably true that computers don't make mistakes. they just do what the software tells them. As you well know, software is made by human beings and they can make it do whatever they want.

I can remember in a factory I worked, the welding robots used to flip out during the night, so they'd have to call out the programmer to fix it. With his call-out bonuses, he was the highest paid guy in the factory. He got 40% more than the plant manager. Nobody else knew how to program the robots, so we got a guy in from the robot supplier to go through the software and programs. Guess what? There was a routine in the programs that cause the robot to change it's path after so many cycles. the guy got sacked and the robots ran faultlessly.

With this system used to count the votes, there is suspicion that it didn't do it right. That can easily be verified. All they have to do is a simple recount of the ballots and compare that with what the computer said. That's what they already did and they found a 6000 discrepancy. Now they need to audit one or two more to see if there are similar discrepancies. If no discrepancies are found, all well and good. If they find similar discrepancies, they have to check them all. It's pretty simple really.

Yes which is why I am very suspicious of machine counted votes. A paper trail is essential. Anyone who has ever programmed anything in machine code will be suspicious. This is why multiple machines, cross checking QA processes essential.

 

[Danidl]

Most of what you write is a direct lift of process and procedure. You DO NOT know if that process and procedure was followed. You think you know and your misplaced belief in yourself convinces you that you do know, but in reality you don’t. You can’t know what happened. You were not there.

Stop your desperate attempts to appear knowledgeable. They make you appear silly.

I am reading what people who worked in stations are saying. Nobody, as in nobody , including yourself or Rudi, your guru have been in all polling stations, so of course I cannot know. The difference is you and Rudi are claiming without any shred of evidence . credible or even incredible that anything untoward had taken place. .. Except in specific cases where armed "vigilantes " have taken to patrolling outside count centres and haranguing workers .. clue . None are assumed to be BLM vigilantes
Would it be unreasonable to block a window where there are armed persons outside?,and one might fear potshots ?

 

[SirNigel]

Right.. the Then vice President of a major friendly country, takes a short visit at the end of his term of office .. August 2016 ,I believe, to visit relatives in Southern Ireland .. actually very local to me, while there he is greeted by the local TD ( MP), then the leader of the third largest political party on the island of Ireland. Would you want to show the equivalent one of Gerry Adams greeting that woman who gave your your knighthood?.

Incidentally I have Never voted for Mr Adams , but I might be tempted to give him my 22nd preference if Nigel Ferage were on the ballot of 23 candidates.

If Biden had any decency, or had any respect of the innocent victims of these two terrorists he would have refused to meet them in the first place

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I am reading what people who worked in stations are saying. Nobody, as in nobody , including yourself or Rudi, your guru have been in all polling stations, so of course I cannot know. The difference is you and Rudi are claiming without any shred of evidence . credible or even incredible that anything untoward had taken place. .. Except in specific cases where armed "vigilantes " have taken to patrolling outside count centres and haranguing workers .. clue . None are assumed to be BLM vigilantes
Would it be unreasonable to block a window where there are armed persons outside?,and one might fear potshots ?

Let me educate you. Suspicion triggers an investigation. An investigation produces evidence. The level of evidence determines whether action is taken.

We are at the suspicion level right now. Evidence may or may not be produced by an investigation. But an investigation is needed.

There is nothing to fear from an investigation. Unless you’ve been up to monkey business of course!

 

[vfr400]

Why?

They have a veritable illegal cottage industry

FBI Says ‘Boogaloo Boys’ Bought 3D-Printed Machine Gun Parts

A criminal complaint alleges that a West Virginia man disguised the plastic components as wall hangers and sold hundreds of them online.

www.wired.com

Who are the Boogaloo Bois? A man who shot up a Minneapolis police precinct was associated with the extremist movement, according to unsealed documents

White men wearing Hawaiian shirts and wielding rifles keep showing up at police brutality protests in the US. Here's what to know about Boogaloo Bois.

www.insider.com

Remember this one:

MI Gov Whitmer blames Trump for kidnap plot hatched by far-right militia

MICHIGAN Gov Gretchen Whitmer blamed President Trump on Thursday for a kidnapping and murder plot hatched by a far-right militia against her after the FBI arrested 13 men in a dramatic raid. The De…

www.thesun.co.uk

Yes, they said it was the far right, whoever they are. It turned out that the leader of the gang had an antifa flag in his room. Another member was shown protesting at a BLM rally.

The state affidavit in support of the criminal complaint against these men describes the Wolverine Watchmen as an "anti-government, anti-law enforcement, militia group." That doesn't sound like Trump supporters to me, though all the press and media span it that way.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/ag/Affidavit_michael_and_william_null_704638_7.pdf

 

[Wicky]

What your saying doesn't make sense at all. It's reasonably true that computers don't make mistakes. they just do what the software tells them. As you well know, software is made by human beings and they can make it do whatever they want.

I can remember in a factory I worked, the welding robots used to flip out during the night, so they'd have to call out the programmer to fix it. With his call-out bonuses, he was the highest paid guy in the factory. He got 40% more than the plant manager. Nobody else knew how to program the robots, so we got a guy in from the robot supplier to go through the software and programs. Guess what? There was a routine in the programs that cause the robot to change it's path after so many cycles. the guy got sacked and the robots ran faultlessly.

With this system used to count the votes, there is suspicion that it didn't do it right. That can easily be verified. All they have to do is a simple recount of the ballots and compare that with what the computer said. That's what they already did and they found a 6000 discrepancy. Now they need to audit one or two more to see if there are similar discrepancies. If no discrepancies are found, all well and good. If they find similar discrepancies, they have to check them all. It's pretty simple really.

Have you donated VFR?

"My father’s calling on YOU to help bolster our critical Election Defense Fund" Donald Trump Jr.

Trump fundraising push for legal challenges also pays down campaign debt

The Trump campaign is requesting donations for an election legal defense fund, but according to the fine print, at least half of any contribution will go toward paying down debt from the …

thehill.com

And don't forget Farage will need £10,000 to make up for the stake at 15/8 he gambled away...

 

[Danidl]

If Biden had any decency, or had any respect of the innocent victims of these two terrorists he would have refused to meet them in the first place

Your logic is impeccable.. by the same token, your Queen must have no decency either. Come on, choose!.
Incidentally the woman in that picture is a second cousin of Bidens , and lives in Cooley, 20 miles from here, and overlooking the Mourne Mountains. I have no knowledge that she has ever been politically active.
Incidentally I have always refused to use the term terrorist , it is far too indiscriminate and must be used to include all Special Forces operatives of every nation state. So best ignore it and be more specific.

 

[Wicky]

Let me educate you. Suspicion triggers an investigation. An investigation produces evidence. The level of evidence determines whether action is taken.

We are at the suspicion level right now. Evidence may or may not be produced by an investigation. But an investigation is needed.

FFS - Has Trump got fed up of being muzzled twittering and hacked your account or are you trolling for thrills now..

Trump has already said he’s going to seek recounts. What does that mean and will that change anything?

Recounts are a normal process in elections and many states have laws that specifically outline the process under which they occur. In Wisconsin, a candidate is entitled to a recount if the margin is less than 1 percentage point (Biden currently leads Trump there by about 0.7 points). In Georgia, a candidate can request a recount if the margin is less than 0.5% of votes cast (Biden currently leads by about 0.2 points). In Pennsylvania, there is an automatic statewide recount if the margin between the candidates is less than 0.5% of votes cast.

A recount doesn’t mean there was anything wrong with the initial count - it’s a way of checking the results in a close race. Recounts rarely change the results of a race.

Between 2000 and 2019, there were 5,778 statewide elections and 31 statewide recounts, according to FairVote, a voting reform group. Three of those recounts resulted in a reversal of the results. FairVote found that margin shifts are usually smaller in recounts with a high number of votes cast and presidential elections usually have the highest turnout.

Even Scott Walker, the former Republican governor of Wisconsin, has acknowledged Trump is unlikely to overcome Biden’s 20,000-vote lead in the state with a recount.

 

[vfr400]

I am reading what people who worked in stations are saying. Nobody, as in nobody , including yourself or Rudi, your guru have been in all polling stations, so of course I cannot know. The difference is you and Rudi are claiming without any shred of evidence . credible or even incredible that anything untoward had taken place. .. Except in specific cases where armed "vigilantes " have taken to patrolling outside count centres and haranguing workers .. clue . None are assumed to be BLM vigilantes
Would it be unreasonable to block a window where there are armed persons outside?,and one might fear potshots ?

Interesting comments. I'm not a supporter of either side and I have no heros. i simply use logic and judgement. Here's how I see it:

Giuliani has a long record of dealing with real corruption when he cleared out the Mafia from New York. On the other hand Joe Biden has a long record of dealing in matters where there have been suspicions of corruption, and what's in Hunter's laptop show to me that the suspicions are well-founded.

Without seeing any of the evidence that you mention may or may not exist, I'd say that on balance of probability and logic, Giuliani is telling the truth and Biden and his regime are not.

As far as I'm concerned, if auditors and witnesses were barred from observing what went on and windows were boarded up to stop people looking in, something dodgy must have been happening with the ballot counting.

 

[sjpt]

I am reading what people who worked in stations are saying.

Surely we know 100% sure that all the people who work in polling stations are complete lefties and all in cahoots with each other and and even worse than the media and don't have any integrity at all? We even have the hallowed word of the President of the United States to confirm that.

(sorry I forgot to do that in ALL CAPS)

 

[oyster]

Yes which is why I am very suspicious of machine counted votes. A paper trail is essential. Anyone who has ever programmed anything in machine code will be suspicious. This is why multiple machines, cross checking QA processes essential.

The Dominion system in Georgia has a paper trail.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

The Dominion system in Georgia has a paper trail.

Didn’t say it Ermine did come from.... oh I can’t be bothered.

 

[oyster]

The Dominion system in Georgia has a paper trail.

an electronic system equipped with paper ballot backups.

Which, though open to interpretation, ...

 

[vfr400]

Have you donated VFR?

"My father’s calling on YOU to help bolster our critical Election Defense Fund" Donald Trump Jr.

Trump fundraising push for legal challenges also pays down campaign debt

The Trump campaign is requesting donations for an election legal defense fund, but according to the fine print, at least half of any contribution will go toward paying down debt from the …

thehill.com

And don't forget Farage will need £10,000 to make up for the stake at 15/8 he gambled away...

I don't, I never have and never would donate nor get involved with any political campaign. I will remain an independent observer. None of what happens has any significant effect on me. I have my money to last me out. I have no family. I ride my bikes and play on my computer. I fix a few bikes for people when they deserve it. I don't care what Trump or Boris does or doesn't do. I come here for entertainment, which is mainly watching deranged people going nuts.

There's a couple of things I still don't understand. How is it that social media wouldn't allow a Gofundme for Kyle Rittenhouse, who, AFAICS did nothing wrong, yet they allowed one for Gaige Grosskreutz, a career criminal already convicted of possessing an illegal weapon, the guy that tried to shoot Kyle with a handgun, against whom Kyle defended himself.

Likewise, they cancelled the one for the Cafe owner, who had his cafe destroyed in a BLM riot, yet they allow then for the guys that got arrested during the riot so that they can pay their bail money.

 

[oyster]

"My father’s calling on YOU to help bolster our critical Election Defense Fund" Donald Trump Jr.

The New York Post - previously quoted on this thread - had this article:

Eric Trump touts line to report voter fraud — but no one answers the phone
https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/eric-trump-touts-voter-fraud-line-but-no-one-answers-the-phone/

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Interesting comments. I'm not a supporter of either side and I have no heros. i simply use logic and judgement. Here's how I see it:

Giuliani has a long record of dealing with real corruption when he cleared out the Mafia from New York. On the other hand Joe Biden has a long record of dealing in matters where there have been suspicions of corruption, and what's in Hunter's laptop show to me that the suspicions are well-founded.

Without seeing any of the evidence that you mention may or may not exist, I'd say that on balance of probability and logic, Giuliani is telling the truth and Biden and his regime are not.

As far as I'm concerned, if auditors and witnesses were barred from observing what went on and windows were boarded up to stop people looking in, something dodgy must have been happening with the ballot counting.

Absolutely. An investigation is necessary.

 

[oyster]

It is getting difficult to accept that there really is a problem with the election when quite a number of republicans argue that Trump lost. And...

Melania Trump among those telling Trump to accept the election loss
From CNN's Kevin Bohn

First lady Melania Trump has joined the growing chorus of President Trump’s inner circle advising him the time has come for him to accept the loss, a source familiar with the conversations told CNN.

Though she has not publicly commented on the election, privately Melania Trump has weighed in with her opinion, this person said.

“She has offered it, as she often does,” said the source.
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-08-20/index.html

 

[RossG]

The Donald finding things are getting a little tight cash wise...anyone want to fund him ?

 

[oyster]

The Donald finding things are getting a little tight cash wise...anyone want to fund him ?
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I really can't remember when last I had anything from a McD's - must be around thirty years.

Yet I still think of that strange slightly squeaky effect of their buns.