From Australia:
It took us 17 days after the 2010 election to determine that Labor would continue in government. The sky didn’t fall in.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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It took us 17 days after the 2010 election to determine that Labor would continue in government. The sky didn’t fall in.
well that was Australia. We are talking about America, but they do both start with an A, I’ll concede that much
Another place, a state in the USA, which begins with an A, is, I suggest, "slow":well that was Australia. We are talking about America, but they do both start with an A, I’ll concede that much
More than 130,000 votes — more than 40% of Alaska’s total — will not be counted until at least next week, and the last ballots won’t be counted until Nov. 18.
https://www.adn.com/politics/2020/11/05/alaska-has-the-slowest-ballot-counting-process-in-america-the-top-election-official-says-security-is-the-priority-not-speed/
Something is very wrong. An immediate investigation should be launched and the postal ballot papers checked for authenticity. Postal voting is well known to be a gift for fraudsters, and sadly this is what we are witnessing. It nothing new and it seems to be a “Left” leaning issue. Labour were rigging postal votes in 2005.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Labour activists had 'vote-rigging factory' to hijack postal votes
Trump's early lead in the 9 swing states was due to the sequence of vote counting. Results from in person votes are immediately known, counting of early votes is done next and postal votes, military votes and overseas votes last.
Trump tells his supporters to vote on the day, Biden tells his to vote early or by post. So it goes without saying that Trump will get an early start and Biden's votes will catch up.
There were exit polls to confirm about 1.3% of vote swing to the Democrats so the results are more or less in line with exit polls.
The counting is also decentralised, consolidated results have to wait for all the individual counties to return their results.
There will always be mistakes and attempts to cheat but I think by and large, the system is fair to both sides. The main cheat is buying postal votes from those who can't be bothered to vote.
The main thing I learned in this election is there are so many people who feel that normal politics don't work for them. Politicians always lie to them.
They tend not to vote before Trump.
Now it's Biden's job to show them that he can get them.
There is also a system of provisional voting where individual voters who don't have adequate ID (or whatever documentation is required) upon them, are still allowed to vote but that vote is then held back and not counted until ID has been presented.
Seems they can have up to five business days to produce ID.
I see Test and Trace is doing well:
Just 59.9% of those who came into close contact with positive COVID cases reached by Test and Trace
Just 59.9% of close contacts of people who tested positive for coronavirus were reached by NHS Test and Trace in the week ending 28 October, figures show.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/just-599percent-of-those-who-came-into-close-contact-with-positive-covid-cases-reached-by-test-and-trace/ar-BB1aIvYA
Just 59.9% of those who came into close contact with positive COVID cases reached by Test and Trace
Just 59.9% of close contacts of people who tested positive for coronavirus were reached by NHS Test and Trace in the week ending 28 October, figures show.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/just-599percent-of-those-who-came-into-close-contact-with-positive-covid-cases-reached-by-test-and-trace/ar-BB1aIvYA
Yes. BS it should not take this long, except for the US anti socialism mindset .. reduced public services, reduced civil servants, limited polling stations, and the REFUSAL to allow even preliminary testing of the adminstration for postal ballots UNTIL after the in person ballots were counted. This latter was imposed by Republican dominated State legislatures.
Now I can accept that the actual counting of votes should not take place until the polls close, but all the preliminary work could have been done,of opening the first envelopes, and comparing signitures in advance.
What you probably don't consider is that the USA has all their elections simultaneously.. Congress, 33% of the Federal Senate, the State Governments, the local judges, AGs , sheriffs and dogcatchers and any referendums ..all for dubious efficiency.
OK. So here Barry we're in what one could define as a grey area. As in - who f*g knows how long it should take to 'count paper'. I would imagine it depends on a lot of things - such as:
- how many votes there are to count
- how many people you have to count them
- how long you give them (do they work through the night some places do others don't)
And so on and so on.
So to 'fact check' what you say above will depend on all the above - and you're not being specific so who knows.
It's your opinion.
And we're all entitled to our opinion.
Even vfr and Nigel.
So Barry - thanks for your opinion. I don't have one on this subject because I don't have enough facts to form one.
Every trade union vote I have ever done was via a postal vote and was extremely fair . It requires at least three layers of envelopes and multiple signature checks. The ballot papers and the envelopes were distributed by union officials,and had to be signed for. These lists were sent off to the auditors. Ones vote was placed in an envelope, that envelope was put inside another envelope ,where one put ones signature and union number and finally that envelope was put inside a standard envelope. ..and posted.Something is very wrong. An immediate investigation should be launched and the postal ballot papers checked for authenticity. Postal voting is well known to be a gift for fraudsters, and sadly this is what we are witnessing. It nothing new and it seems to be a “Left” leaning issue. Labour were rigging postal votes in 2005.
Labour activists had 'vote-rigging factory' to hijack postal votes
At the count centre. The external envelopes were discarded, and every signed envelope ,checked against the previously returned list of signatures ,and validated by 2 auditors. Then the second envelope discarded, and the vote ,still inside the first envelope put into the counting bowl.
Finally all these envelopes are mixed, and then opened, and the votes extracted.
Then and only then are the votes unfolded, and counted.
The USA has yet another test to be carried out ..to check whether someone did a postal vote and then voted in person. So they need to cross check every postal vote with the list of in person voters.
It seems to have escaped you that mink are not humans. They are in the Mustelidae family, genus Neovison and Mustela.
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You really do hate the truth, preferring to ignore it and fantasize.
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Work this out.
The Military votes which are predominantly Republican don't have to be in for counting until 10th November.
So is that cheating by the Republicans?
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Perhaps that needs a touch of re-wording? "which have traditionally been"
And are likely to remain so. They know who best looks after their interests.
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Don’t lay an egg, I’m just putting it out there for people to consider and to decide if it’s rubbish or truth.
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Thanks. I'd concluded from the three agrees that was what you were doing, it wasn't really clear before.Don’t lay an egg, I’m just putting it out there for people to consider and to decide if it’s rubbish or truth.
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Well you are putting it out. And I respect that (including the clever pun i just lay there, like a barn fresh egg, on a Saturday morning). I mean the thread can subsist on more heat than light. But, in the absence of fact your allegations have the same solid empirical feel as the Donald's ranting (which is beginning to take on a ms haversham quality, I'm sincerely becoming concerned for his mental health). Which is why biden will be president and this episode will go down as a Republican disgrace and attack on democracy.Don’t lay an egg, I’m just putting it out there for people to consider and to decide if it’s rubbish or truth.
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Changing the subject. You may remember me saying that a friend had Coronavirus symptoms earlier in the year (April), fever, loss of smell & taste, persistent cough etc. She is very fit & healthy and completed an Iron Man Triathlon in 2019. Every test indicated that she didn’t have it ( CV test and antibody).
She has suffered with Long Covid symptoms ever since. She struggles to walk 5K now and every 3 to 4 days she’s completely wiped out and spends most of the day in bed.
She has also been experiencing heart problems since April. She has had several scans and the consultant says from what he can see on the scans, he’s 100% sure she has had Coronavirus. Says he’s seen the same with people who have previously tested positive and negative.
She was slowly recovering, as the consultant predicted. That was until the middle of last week when she took a huge step backwards. Sh phoned me this morning to say she’s tested positive for coronavirus!
She has suffered with Long Covid symptoms ever since. She struggles to walk 5K now and every 3 to 4 days she’s completely wiped out and spends most of the day in bed.
She has also been experiencing heart problems since April. She has had several scans and the consultant says from what he can see on the scans, he’s 100% sure she has had Coronavirus. Says he’s seen the same with people who have previously tested positive and negative.
She was slowly recovering, as the consultant predicted. That was until the middle of last week when she took a huge step backwards. Sh phoned me this morning to say she’s tested positive for coronavirus!