Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

An interesting article in its own right. Even more so with the current situation of Johnson (even if not ventilated, even if not, technically, under intensive therapy).

Learning to breathe again: the long road to recovery from Covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/the-road-to-recovery-for-covid-19-patients

 

[oldgroaner]

An interesting article in its own right. Even more so with the current situation of Johnson (even if not ventilated, even if not, technically, under intensive therapy).

Learning to breathe again: the long road to recovery from Covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/the-road-to-recovery-for-covid-19-patients

It will be interesting to see how Boris fares.........

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Well if this lockdown is showing people anything, let’s hope that it’s you don’t need pubs, shops selling tat and constant pressure to consume on credit. I’m actually enjoying the tranquility. No planes flying over or background hum of traffic etc. It’s very relaxing. The best things in life are generally free or low cost.

 

[oyster]

Well if this lockdown is showing people anything, let’s hope that it’s you don’t need pubs, shops selling tat and constant pressure to consume on credit. I’m actually enjoying the tranquility. No planes flying over or background hum of traffic etc. It’s very relaxing. The best things in life are generally free or low cost.

Have to say, I agree so much. The low levels of traffic (air, road, rail) are very much appreciated - despite being in an area that could only be regarded as tranquil compared to London area.

If only we could wander around more freely - within, say, twenty miles. And paddle on the beach.

 

[tommie]

Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".

EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.

 

[Danidl]

Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".

EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.

Except of course there is now no safety net for the UK. The EU will work out a solution. The entire economic world order has been shaken by this pandemic. Entire industries and sectors will simply collapse. I am thinking of Insurance in particular. .LLoyds for example has a number of names who are ultimately liable for risks . When travel companies, hotel chains and car manufacturers crystallise debts, who is on the recieving end?.

 

[oldgroaner]

Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".

EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.

For goodness sake, will you never understand how the EU works and what it can and cannot do?
This sort of stupidity simply makes you look a bigger fool than ever

Member states are Sovereign
The EU doesn't control what they do
The fact that it is not a super state is what allows nations to bicker

And for our information we have left, scoring points against an organisation we no longer belong to is stupid
Concentrate on the problem we face without gloating about what others do that you neither understand or approve of

Now please go away and play there's a good boy

 

[oldgroaner]

Song for the day

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1247498524725514241

 

[oldgroaner]

Mrs Gove will be miffed

In the Telegraph
"
Rishi Sunak named successor number two amid claims that Michael Gove was 'deliberately' overlooked
The Chancellor will deputise for the Prime Minister if Dominic Raab falls ill, despite earlier suggestions Mr Gove would be next in line

 

[oyster]

Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".

EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.

Yet the UK is managing to claim EU funds for repatriation flights for UK citizens (subjects) stuck around the world. Despite the UK sort-of no longer even being a member state.

Which would appear to be more, and more concrete, than what the UK is doing for the EU or its constituent member states.

 

[oyster]

Mrs Gove will be miffed

In the Telegraph
"
Rishi Sunak named successor number two amid claims that Michael Gove was 'deliberately' overlooked
The Chancellor will deputise for the Prime Minister if Dominic Raab falls ill, despite earlier suggestions Mr Gove would be next in line

That it was reported in the Telegraph rather than her rag?

 

[oldgroaner]

LBC

@LBC
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54m

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab continues to deputise for Boris Johnson, who spent his second night in intensive care last night.
@NickFerrariLBC
asks: Who would you trust to make a big decision in the PM's absence?

oldgroaner@oldgroaner

Larry the Cat

 

[oyster]

LBC
@LBC
·
54m

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab continues to deputise for Boris Johnson, who spent his second night in intensive care last night.
@NickFerrariLBC
asks: Who would you trust to make a big decision in the PM's absence?

oldgroaner@oldgroaner

Larry the Cat

Big decisions. Hmmm. Whiskas or Purina? Catch a mouse or sleep? Run madly or stop and wash? Friendly or rejecting all humans?

I did write that Johnson should have properly handed over, albeit temporarily, rather than leaving this rather messy situation.

 

[oyster]

I seem to remember some people ardently proclaiming that the UK could be a wet, North Sea version of Singapore.

The phrase “Singapore-on-Thames” is shorthand for Britain becoming a low-tax, lightly regulated economy that can out-compete the sclerotic, over-regulated eurozone from a strategic position only 20 miles or so offshore. The general idea was first mooted a couple of years ago by Philip Hammond, then Britain’s chancellor of the exchequer, as a means of encouraging the EU to strike a friendly Brexit deal with the UK.

What a spiffing idea!

Singapore has announced new plans to boost food production, including by turning car park rooftops into urban farms, as the Covid-19 pandemic disrupts global supply chains.

The city-state only produces around 10% of its food needs, but restrictions on population movement are wreaking havoc on farming and food supply chains – raising concern of shortages and price increases.

“The current COVID-19 situation underscores the importance of local food production, as part of Singapore’s strategies to ensure food security,” authorities said in a statement.

 

[oldgroaner]

LBC

@LBC
·
12h
A former government advisor believes that the lack of powers that Dominic Raab has will bring problems down the line if the PM is out of action for a long time.

oldgroaner@oldgroaner

Considering the diabolically bad decisions made so far by this government it may end up saving lives

 

[wheeler]

According to Raab, Boris' is "a fighter".
I can't think of many fighters who, when handed victory, promptly **** their pants and run away.

 

[Wicky]

Wonder where smirkin' Priti Patel, Home Secretary, is in the pecking order...

 

[oyster]

Wonder where smirkin' Priti Patel, Home Secretary, is in the pecking order...

Just had a look at the members of the cabinet and realised how few of them are ever mentioned at the moment.

https://members.parliament.uk/Government/Cabinet

 

[tommie]

Except of course there is now no safety net for the UK. The EU will work out a solution.

The UK WAS that safety net, who do you think stepped up to the plate with £3.2 billion to save Ireland from going down the toilet?? Why do you think the EU called it `Treasure Island`? !!

and following up on my previous post we now have this Family Feud!!

Coronavirus: Marathon talks over EU virus rescue package stall

EU finance ministers suspend talks on a recovery fund after 16 hours, amid deep divisions.

www.bbc.co.uk

EU talks on how to help southern Eurozone countries badly affected by the coronavirus epidemic have stalled after 16 hours.

The European Central Bank says the bloc may need up to €1.5tn ($1.6 trillion; £1.3tn) to tackle the crisis.

European finance ministers were close to a deal, but the talks broke down amid a dispute between Italy and the Netherlands over how to apply the recovery fund.

Negotiations will resume on Thursday.

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, where Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough.

The row comes as the EU's top scientist, Mauro Ferrari, resigned citing Brussels' "disappointing" response to the pandemic.

The Italian, who was head of the European Research Council for less than four months, said in his resignation statement that a special programme he tried to set up to combat the virus had been rejected out of hand.

The European Commission has not commented on the criticism, but a leading MEP, Christian Ehler, accused Mr Ferrari of conducting a "window-dressing public relations stand on the coronavirus crisis".

Why did the EU talks break down?
Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help to pay off.

An all-night teleconference between Eurozone finance ministers to discuss this started on Tuesday and went on for 16 hours, but Italy refused to back down on its demands.

The Netherlands opposes the proposal, and wants member states to have repayment conditions phased in over the years.

For now, a draft text of what has been agreed states that "innovative financial agreements" will need to be used.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Charts Gove would say, who needs 'em

If ever a country needed to change it's government,
We are that country
Now is that time

I think we also need a change of many citizens too. A significant number are acting like total cnuts, particularly the under 40s generations who are a complete disgrace and have been found lacking.

I have friends in Germany and I can tell you they are under strict lockdown. Heavy fines for leaving your home without good reason, which are very few.

The police and military need to be on our streets issuing fines and beatings like Germany. The U.K. approach is too soft, too confused and it’s costing lives. That’s a big factor as to why Germany is doing better than the U.K. in the fight.

I’ve been for a walk this morning and seen three groups of teenagers and four middle aged men cycling. Camper vans are heading into Cornwall and there were over 60 surfers on Fistral Beach last night. I’d definitely back police / military beatings, fines and permanent confusion of cars / caravans and camper vans coupled with heavy fines. People are such cnuts, it’s the only way to get through to them.

It’s time to notch lockdown things up a few gears. The longer they dither the more people will die.