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oldgroaner

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The independent EHRC is investigating the terrible Jew Hate crisis which is currently gripping Labour. They aren’t investigating the Conservatives. The only other political party to be investigated by the EHRC is Tommy Robinson’s EDL. I suspect that is why the matter is so newsworthy, and rightly so.
What is a trifle odd is how little evidence of actual cases of anti semitic acts actually appears in the right wing press.
 
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50Hertz

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What is a trifle odd is how little evidence of actual cases of anti semitic acts actually appears in the right wing press.
The fact remains that Labour and the EDL are the ONLY political parties to ever be investigated by the HCHR.

If evidence exists, I’m sure the investigation will find it.
 
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The fact remains that Labour and the EDL are the ONLY political parties to ever be investigated by the HCHR.

If evidence exists, I’m sure the investigation will find it.
The tories have a long, long tradition of anti-semitism. It doesn't require an investigation to find evidence. Hansard will do. From Peel to...

Jacob Rees-Mogg’s alarming cry of “Illuminati”

5 September 2019

Michael Berkowitz, Historian at UCL, argues that during Parliament’s No Deal Brexit debate this week, Jacob Rees-Mogg has used a little-noted but unequivocally antisemitic trope.


Speaking of JRM, they seem to be keeping him as out of sight as possible.
 

50Hertz

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The tories have a long, long tradition of anti-semitism.
Why didn’t you say so earlier? It would have made it ok for Labour to perpetuate their Jew Hate. Call off the ECHR immediately!

How did the ECHR investigation into the Tory party go? I’ve searched, but can’t find the outcome.
 

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The independent EHRC is investigating the terrible Jew Hate crisis which is currently gripping Labour.
If they really are independent they won't find anything of note, simply because there never has been.
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oldgroaner

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The fact remains that Labour and the EDL are the ONLY political parties to ever be investigated by the HCHR.

If evidence exists, I’m sure the investigation will find it.
Why are they the only party so investigated? there are lots of cases of people from other parties being called out.
 
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Why didn’t you say so earlier? It would have made it ok for Labour to perpetuate their Jew Hate. Call off the ECHR immediately!

How did the ECHR investigation into the Tory party go? I’ve searched, but can’t find the outcome.
Ever wondered why that is?
Don't you smell a rat?
 

50Hertz

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If they really are independent they won't find anything of note, simply because there never has been.
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We shall wait and see.

I’m sure long standing Labour MPs driven out of the party by Jew hatred, and said so, may think otherwise.
 
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Why are they the only party so investigated? there are lots of cases of people from other parties being called out.
That’s a question for the EHRC. I’m assuming they have a level of conduct which triggers investigation. Perhaps Labour’s and the EDL’s levels of hatred have exceeded the threshold.

The fact that they have investigated organisations from supposedly opposite ends of the political spectrum, give an indication of their political neutrality.
 

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I you google the subject you will find some amusing things such as this
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/e/ehrc-investigation-labour-cannot-be-trusted

My god fancy quoting them, eh? rbid Communists, but what if they are telling the truth?
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The links between EHRC board members and private companies, dramatically revealed by the Morning Star in a series of exposés over the past week, cast doubt on its ability to act as a disinterested assessor of rights and equalities.

The situation is made worse by the political context. Labour is not the loyal Establishment lapdog of the fairly recent past.

If the EHRC board is peopled by a lawyer whose firm profited from defending blacklisters and represented Serco against Kurdish refugees, bankers who have held top roles at Barclays and Lloyd’s, a former finance director of outsourcing firm Mitie, a board member at Big Six energy firm SSE (which would be nationalised if Labour comes to power on its current programme) and an executive who held a top role at oil giant Shell from 1998-2001 at a time when the company stood accused of “complicity in murder, rape and torture” by the Nigerian government (in the words of Amnesty International), how can it possibly be argued that it would be indifferent to the prospect of a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn?

The party he leads is committed to transformational policies that would see private-sector profiteers booted out of our public services, curbs on the reckless gambling of the big banks, a public inquiry into illegal blacklisting and a humane immigration and asylum policy that would tackle the successive scandals involving disgraced security firms Serco and G4S. In other words, an end to the racket that has made many EHRC board members rich.

The scandal is not really that individual EHRC board members will seek to fix the outcomes of investigations in order to personally benefit, though that cannot be ruled out despite the commission’s insistence that it has “robust procedures and policies in place to manage conflicts of interests or perceived conflicts of interests.”

It is rather that this is an Establishment agency inextricably entangled with the power networks of British capitalism.

Criticism of the EHRC for failing to protect victims of discrimination has been rife for years. In 2011 grassroots activists’ group Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) even threatened to occupy its headquarters in protest at what it said was the commission’s failure to “uphold disabled people’s human rights,” only calling off the action after the EHRC conceded a last-minute meeting.

The autobiography of Disabled Rights Commission (DRC) chair Sir Bert Massie, published posthumously this year, paints a similar picture of disability rights being downplayed or ignored once the DRC was folded into the broader EHRC in 2007.

This is no surprise: an institution stocked with Establishment insiders is hardly likely to be a vigorous champion of the underdog. It may, within particular contexts, take a stand against prejudice or discrimination — it could hardly be expected to challenge inequality or oppression when they are integral to the economic system.

For the current leadership of the Labour Party, there’s the rub. The accusations of anti-semitism directed at Corbyn are political. They form part of a sustained campaign to discredit and defeat a political leader whose record of battling all forms of prejudice is actually exceptional.

This can't possibly be true.......perhaps
 
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oldgroaner

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We shall wait and see.

I’m sure long standing Labour MPs driven out of the party by Jew hatred, and said so, may think otherwise.
And the ones driven out of the Conservative party? or dumped before they get elected?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-candidate-suspended-amjad-bashir-antisemitism-leeds-election-a9210591.html

And this
https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/focusing-only-on-labour-whitewashes-the-antisemitism-and-racism-of-other-parties-1.493397
But they’re just the tip of the iceberg. In 2014 the Conservative party’s inquiry into their MP who threw a Nazi-themed party and wore a Nazi uniform concluded that his behaviour was not antisemitic. The same year another Conservative MP was forced to quit over referring to someone as a “bloody Jew.” A few years earlier a Conservative student society reportedly sang pro-Holocaust songs on multiple occasions. In a 2017 survey, two in five Conservative supporters polled endorsed at least one antisemitic statement, more than any other mainstream party.

If there was such a thing as an unbiassed press this would be the subject of the same level of cricism.
 
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That’s a question for the EHRC. I’m assuming they have a level of conduct which triggers investigation. Perhaps Labour’s and the EDL’s levels of hatred have exceeded the threshold.

The fact that they have investigated organisations from supposedly opposite ends of the political spectrum, give an indication of their political neutrality.
Then you really have to ask how Boris gets away with his racist remarks don't you?
 
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Why are they the only party so investigated? there are lots of cases of people from other parties being called out.
Because Labour were the only party that refused to accept the Jewish attempt to legally ban criticism of Israeli actions.

That's what this is all about, nothing to do with anti semitism and everything to do with progressing the Zionist aim to destroy any trace of Palestine and Palestinians.

Ethnic cleansing by force, propaganda and deliberately re-writing history in order to have total possession of former Palestine. Syria is their next target, hence them hanging onto the Golan Heights in defiance of the UN's orders.

Canaan (Palestine and Syria) was of course the original land of the Canaanites where the Hebrews moved to from Egypt to share in biblical times.

The Romans renamed Canaan to Syria-Palestinia after they expelled the Hebrews, creating the diaspora.
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We shall wait and see.

I’m sure long standing Labour MPs driven out of the party by Jew hatred, and said so, may think otherwise.
See my previous post for the reason. Those so called "driven out" were Jews taking part in this campaign. Their word is worthless.
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50Hertz

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I you google the subject you will find some amusing things such as this
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/e/ehrc-investigation-labour-cannot-be-trusted

My god fancy quoting them, eh? rbid Communists, but what if they are telling the truth?
"
The links between EHRC board members and private companies, dramatically revealed by the Morning Star in a series of exposés over the past week, cast doubt on its ability to act as a disinterested assessor of rights and equalities.

The situation is made worse by the political context. Labour is not the loyal Establishment lapdog of the fairly recent past.

If the EHRC board is peopled by a lawyer whose firm profited from defending blacklisters and represented Serco against Kurdish refugees, bankers who have held top roles at Barclays and Lloyd’s, a former finance director of outsourcing firm Mitie, a board member at Big Six energy firm SSE (which would be nationalised if Labour comes to power on its current programme) and an executive who held a top role at oil giant Shell from 1998-2001 at a time when the company stood accused of “complicity in murder, rape and torture” by the Nigerian government (in the words of Amnesty International), how can it possibly be argued that it would be indifferent to the prospect of a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn?

The party he leads is committed to transformational policies that would see private-sector profiteers booted out of our public services, curbs on the reckless gambling of the big banks, a public inquiry into illegal blacklisting and a humane immigration and asylum policy that would tackle the successive scandals involving disgraced security firms Serco and G4S. In other words, an end to the racket that has made many EHRC board members rich.

The scandal is not really that individual EHRC board members will seek to fix the outcomes of investigations in order to personally benefit, though that cannot be ruled out despite the commission’s insistence that it has “robust procedures and policies in place to manage conflicts of interests or perceived conflicts of interests.”

It is rather that this is an Establishment agency inextricably entangled with the power networks of British capitalism.

Criticism of the EHRC for failing to protect victims of discrimination has been rife for years. In 2011 grassroots activists’ group Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) even threatened to occupy its headquarters in protest at what it said was the commission’s failure to “uphold disabled people’s human rights,” only calling off the action after the EHRC conceded a last-minute meeting.

The autobiography of Disabled Rights Commission (DRC) chair Sir Bert Massie, published posthumously this year, paints a similar picture of disability rights being downplayed or ignored once the DRC was folded into the broader EHRC in 2007.

This is no surprise: an institution stocked with Establishment insiders is hardly likely to be a vigorous champion of the underdog. It may, within particular contexts, take a stand against prejudice or discrimination — it could hardly be expected to challenge inequality or oppression when they are integral to the economic system.

For the current leadership of the Labour Party, there’s the rub. The accusations of anti-semitism directed at Corbyn are political. They form part of a sustained campaign to discredit and defeat a political leader whose record of battling all forms of prejudice is actually exceptional.

This can't possibly be true.......perhaps
Everything you read on the internet isn’t true, unless you want to believe a particular truth from the selection of truths available. Take your pick.
 

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Why didn’t you say so earlier? It would have made it ok for Labour to perpetuate their Jew Hate. Call off the ECHR immediately!

How did the ECHR investigation into the Tory party go? I’ve searched, but can’t find the outcome.
The ECHR didn't exist in 1843...
 

50Hertz

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See my previous post for the reason. Those so called "driven out" were Jews taking part in this campaign. Their word is worthless.
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I see. The Jews who complained and feel aggrieved, their word is worthless and they should not have their grievances considered. Very interesting.
 

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