Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Every cloud......

I disagree since you will never know how wrong you are on this Corbyn's Labour in government issue.

You will however increasingly suffer the decline of Britain into an ever more deprived and backward quaint tourist destination with universally inadequate public services.

Unless of course the public wake up, throw the Tories and their entire establishment out for ever and rejoin the EU.
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[flecc]

Is BJ really this ignorant?

Yes.
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[Danidl]

Don't know why you are panicking.

Now the Brexit party is only standing in Labour's strong areas, Farage has wrecked the General Election by distorting it unfairly for the Tories. There isn't any possibility of Labour getting into power now with only their vote splitting in the areas they can win.
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Well that puts no deal crashout Brexit strongly back at the top of the agenda. There is apparently this fantasy floating around the UK that it is Done and Dusted and the WAB M2 is the way to go. ..Well no. The WAB M2 collapsed with the dissolution of Parliament . There is no guarantee that a Government will be formed with your next Parliament,there is no requirement on them to reintroduce the WAB M2 ,there is precious little time,even were it introduced to have it properly debated during the month of January. The Benn Act has run its course, and the clock is still ticking.
The contradictions in the BJ customs plan for NI are beginning to be realised,and the DUP will not be onside

 

[50Hertz]

I disagree since you will never know how wrong you are on this Corbyn's Labour in government issue.

You will however increasingly suffer the decline of Britain into an ever more deprived and backward quaint tourist destination with universally inadequate public services.

Unless of course the public wake up, throw the Tories and their entire establishment out for ever and rejoin the EU.
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We will both remember the GPO. A Trim Phone or Standard dial phone hardwired to the wall. I think private ownership and competition has driven telecommunications advancements much more than a nationalised industry would have done. The GPO iPhone equivalent? It wouldn’t happen.

Water utilities and maybe power generation / distribution, postal services, I can see some reasons for that.

You know that Labour would appoint a one legged, transgender former male, currently in a lesbian relationship, holding a PhD in Clog design as CEO of the internet provider. They will become fixated on peripheral irrelevant issues and the company will decline and fail.

Hard wired internet could well become an outdated technology too. 5G will be a step change which could radically change the way in which public consume data, both at home and whilst mobile.

 

[50Hertz]

Well that puts no deal crashout Brexit strongly back at the top of the agenda. There is apparently this fantasy floating around the UK that it is Done and Dusted and the WAB M2 is the way to go. ..Well no. The WAB M2 collapsed with the dissolution of Parliament . There is no guarantee that a Government will be formed with your next Parliament,there is no requirement on them to reintroduce the WAB M2 ,there is precious little time,even were it introduced to have it properly debated during the month of January. The Benn Act has run its course, and the clock is still ticking.
The contradictions in the BJ customs plan for NI are beginning to be realised,and the DUP will not be onside

It will result in deadlock again and we’ll just get another extension, preferably > 12 months.

 

[flecc]

We will both remember the GPO. A Trim Phone or Standard dial phone hardwired to the wall. I think private ownership and competition has driven telecommunications advancements much more than a nationalised industry would have done.

That's unfair, you know as well as I do that was all that was available at that time, half a century ago.

Water utilities and maybe power generation / distribution, postal services, I can see some reasons for that.

But Corbyn is only looking at nationalising rail and water, that's all. He knows that is all that is practical to do in a five year term, and the fickle public wanting instant results will chuck them out then.

You know that Labour would appoint a one legged, transgender former male, currently in a lesbian relationship, holding a PhD in Clog design as CEO of the internet provider.

Good. Everything the government gets it's sticky fingers into gets completely messed up in the end, so an inability to achieve anything much is desirable.

Hard wired internet could well become an outdated technology too. 5G will be a step change which could radically change the way in which public consume data, both at home and whilst mobile.

I see you're another one who is blind to the intrinsic problems and dangers. And there's lots of us, far more than the government will admit to, who don't even have half a "G" now and have no prospect of getting anything any better.

It's a major cause of the Smart Meter initiative failure, since that depends on a fully working mobile network of sorts, which we haven't got.
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[oyster]

I see you're another one who is blind to the intrinsic problems and dangers. And there's lots of us, far more than the government will admit to, who don't even have half a "G" now and have no prospect of getting anything any better.

It's a major cause of the Smart Meter initiative failure, since that depends on a fully working mobile network of sorts, which we haven't got.
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Living in a relative backwater, I have been quite pleased to get 3G/4G much more often than I had expected. But my expectations were very low.

Partner had to change network to get coverage. And there are many places with absolutely no signal of any sort.

We are way past the point at which at least phone/SMS signals really are essential for emergencies. Although I don't spend too much time thinking about the possibilities, I do get concerned at the possibility of motoring accidents, someone in distress in the sea, or any of the many other times and circumstances that lack of a signal could have severe consequences.

 

[wheeler]

And there are many places with absolutely no signal of any sort.

There are still parts of the Scottish trunk road network which don't even have a FM broadcast signal.
Despite mobile coverage requirements being a reserved matter, the Scottish government is putting £25m into filling in coverage in 4G "not spots".

 

[Woosh]

BT share holders will be delighted to hear this news. This announcement is going to open the floodgates to investment in the country. Well done Labour.

BT shares initially went up 10p (5%) on the news, it drops back a little when the implications are worked out. Still 7p (3%) higher than before the news.

 

[flecc]

And there are many places with absolutely no signal of any sort.

That's me and lots of my neighbours. I bought a cheap mobile phone for use in my car for emergencies and at the same time got four PAYG sim cards for the networks, but none of then have a usable signal here. Occasionally I get one bar up, but it drops out when I attempt to use it.

For the same reason none of our Smart meters work despite suppliers trying for many months to get them operational.

Here's a link to my EE network coverage showing 4G None, 3G None, 2G sometimes showing moderate with only two bars out of five, often showing nothing, and those are only outdoor ratings. (Enter postcode CR0 9HL to see it). I'm in the middle of the weakest signal colour band spot on the map and have nothing indoors or just outside. If I go out and walk to the top of the hill I can then get 2G for calls and text only.

And this is in a London Borough, our capital city. All the networks and the government call that 99% coverage! Pathetic.
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[Danidl]

We will both remember the GPO. A Trim Phone or Standard dial phone hardwired to the wall. I think private ownership and competition has driven telecommunications advancements much more than a nationalised industry would have done. The GPO iPhone equivalent? It wouldn’t happen.

Water utilities and maybe power generation / distribution, postal services, I can see some reasons for that.

You know that Labour would appoint a one legged, transgender former male, currently in a lesbian relationship, holding a PhD in Clog design as CEO of the internet provider. They will become fixated on peripheral irrelevant issues and the company will decline and fail.

Hard wired internet could well become an outdated technology too. 5G will be a step change which could radically change the way in which public consume data, both at home and whilst mobile.

Maybe. But the USA is not a good economic model to look for in the mobile telephony market. It was the European Union countries which led GSM.. Ericsson , Alcatel ..you know those derided state saddled enterprises. Even today the EUs mobile market is much more user friendly, cost effective and efficient than that of the fragmented USA. The Internet will remain a hardwired network between major population centres,..it cannot work otherwise, and the mobile terminal aspect will only be in the last few miles of consumer interface.

 

[50Hertz]

Maybe. But the USA is not a good economic model to look for in the mobile telephony market. It was the European Union countries which led GSM.. Ericsson , Alcatel ..you know those derided state saddled enterprises. Even today the EUs mobile market is much more user friendly, cost effective and efficient than that of the fragmented USA. The Internet will remain a hardwired network between major population centres,..it cannot work otherwise, and the mobile terminal aspect will only be in the last few miles of consumer interface.

I didn’t say anything about the USA being a good economic model for mobile telephony. Where did that idea come from?

I didn’t say anything about replacing cable internet connections between population centres with 5G. Where did that come from?

My post concerned the way in which Internet connectivity is delivered to the public at the end user point. This is relevant to Labour’s plan to confiscate Openreach. 5G is very different to anything we have known before. For the majority of people, internet connectivity is likely to be delivered into their home via 5G, eventually making most of the street infrastructure, confiscated via compulsory purchase, redundant. In other words, Labour would be wasting money, they should seize the mobile network operators.

There will still be a place for wired infrastructure for the main “grid” but local distribution will become wireless. Outlying areas where people’s daddy’s are their brother and children have seven webbed fingers may still require a wired connection through which to receive their pornography.

 

[Danidl]

I didn’t say anything about the USA being a good economic model for mobile telephony. Where did that idea come from?

I didn’t say anything about replacing cable internet connections between population centres with 5G. Where did that come from?

My post concerned the way in which Internet connectivity is delivered to the public at the end user point. This is relevant to Labour’s plan to confiscate Openreach. 5G is very different to anything we have known before. For the majority of people, internet connectivity is likely to be delivered into their home via 5G, eventually making most of the street infrastructure, confiscated via compulsory purchase, redundant. In other words, Labour would be wasting money, they should seize the mobile network operators.

There will still be a place for wired infrastructure for the main “grid” but local distribution will become wireless. Outlying areas where people’s daddy’s are their brother and children have seven webbed fingers may still require a wired connection through which to receive their pornography.

I understand from previous postings that you are an aircraft mechanic. Perhaps you should leave matters electronic to those who know the activity.. Of course 5G wireless devices will be how telecommunications will be delivered for the last mile or 5 miles, but the heavy lifting will be in the data farms, the optical fibre infrastructure,and the major switching computers of the big boys.
My reference to the USA,was that your prior spouting seemed to be favouring their private enterprise model.

 

[50Hertz]

I understand from previous postings that you are an aircraft mechanic. Perhaps you should leave matters electronic to those who know the activity.. Of course 5G wireless devices will be how telecommunications will be delivered for the last mile or 5 miles, but the heavy lifting will be in the data farms, the optical fibre infrastructure,and the major switching computers of the big boys.
My reference to the USA,was that your prior spouting seemed to be favouring their private enterprise model.

Clearly, you have a very superficial knowledge of these technologies and haven’t fully understood the changes that are coming. You are so wrong, I believe that your situation is irretrievably. Sadly, you come over as being quite old and “past it” and not in possession of the tools necessary to understand complex technical issues. Therefore, you would be wise resist further contributions and the inevitable embarrassment which follows. To compensate for this deficiency, you have a tendency to “pad out” your posts with irrelevant nonsense. An all fart and no poo type of person.

 

[oyster]

Far from welcoming brexit as has been claimed by some, countries such as Australia, New Zealand, USA, appear to be queuing up to sue us (and the EU) for the negative impact on their exports.

 

[flecc]

The Tories and LibDems are completely wrong, Jeremy Corbyn's intention to give free superspeed speed broadband to everyone is one of the most sensible government policies ever announced in many years.

Free communication has been the policy of every national and local government Britain has had for many hundreds of years, so Corbyn's promise is both sensible and normal practice. For those hundreds of years we communicated via free roads to personally go everywhere for work, shopping, services, social interaction and every other purpose, the roads almost always provided free for use by all (excluding their motor vehicles of course). That pact for free essential communications for all citizens was broken when the telephone and later the related internet became essential for our communications.

Now we commonly carry out our essential functions via the internet, whether it be shopping, services, social interaction or even carrying out the duties of our employment from home. This makes internet access for all just as vital as access to the free roads has always been, so now it's right that government should return to providing free vital communications for all.
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[Woosh]

on the other hand, free public provision rarely keeps up standard for long. It makes sense to fund the initial seed investment like British Rail or Water but if they weren't privatised, government after government won't invest enough and when they do, it's usually not good value for money.
JC's scheme will lead to government spending North of £20 billions a year, divided by 27 millions households, that's about £750 per household. I don't think I want to pay that much in tax for my broadband.

 

[oldgroaner]

on the other hand, free public provision rarely keeps up standard for long. It makes sense to fund the initial seed investment like British Rail or Water but if they weren't privatised, government after government won't invest enough and when they do, it's usually not good value for money.
JC's scheme will lead to government spending North of £20 billions a year, divided by 27 millions households, that's about £750 per household. I don't think I want to pay that much in tax for my broadband.

You aren't intended to pay very much he intends to milk google, facebook etc.

 

[Woosh]

You aren't intended to pay very much he intends to milk google, facebook etc.

it's still the same pot of money.
The problem is Labour rushes through some good ideas. Nationalising BT Openreach to invest £50 billions of public money makes sense but making broadband free does not. Like free local calls makes sense, not free international calls.
People have different needs. What's the point to give everyone free access to gigabit internet? it will be hugely wasted.

 

[50Hertz]

You aren't intended to pay very much he intends to milk google, facebook etc.

People with the talent and ingenuity to create two of the most valuable companies on the planet going up against Diane Abbott. Who’s going to win?

The PAYE monkeys will be picking up the bill for this one. £17.50 / month worth of broadband for £70 / month. Limited offer now on at Corbyn’s, the UK’s original Communist Theme Park.